Webinar: Survive & Thrive in '25: Smart Spending Strategies for Farm Solvency

Hey folks, uh, in the interest of time, both yours and, 2 and ours, we're gonna go ahead and get rolling here. 3 You might notice that, uh, 4 we we're coming at you from some different locations. 5 Uh, Chad is at, uh, a racetrack in Orlando, Florida. 6 He's sitting in his rv, uh, 7 which I ever pointed out looks nicer than the 8 first three homes I lived in. 9 So, uh, I mean, if you think that guy, 10 he's doing it first class. 11 Uh, the Miles brothers who actually aren't brothers, 12 they're father and son are coming to us from Western Kansas. 13 Uh, they're deer hunting and they had to drive 14 to the nearest place, uh, go up on a hill and, uh, and, and, 15 and, uh, climb a telephone pole to make it so 16 that we could actually have internet. 17 And then Johnny Rell, uh, is the only one that stays home. 18 He's actually at his home office in Jackson, Tennessee. 19 So we're gonna start off, the point 20 of this is we wanna share all the results. 21 You know what, you're a member of XT Extreme Ag 22 and one of the benefits of being a member is you get access 23 to the data and you hear about all the trials 24 and the results, and obviously you have access to the guys. 25 So we encourage you to become a member 26 because for that seven $50 a year, 27 you get a lot of extra bonuses. 28 Well, this being one of them, we want you to be interactive. 29 If you have any questions, if you want anything clarified, 30 use the chat feature and I will make sure 31 that I get your question asked to the guys. 32 What we're doing here is sharing with you all the stuff 33 that we did on our farms, the field days, and the trials, 34 and the labs, and the work. 35 So we're gonna start off with Chad, 36 because he's gonna get called soon. 37 He's going to go and hop in his 1987 Buick Grand National, 38 that goes 300 miles an hour and, and burns some rubber. 39 Chad, you did, uh, a lot of different trials. 40 You got a few different companies in particular. 41 In particular you'd like to talk about. 42 One of 'em being a DS. Tell us about a DS tile drainage. 43 Uh, first time I was at your farm three 44 and a half years ago, uh, 45 was when you were putting in tile for the first time. 46 Now you've got a body of work 47 and you've got enough years to talk about 48 what you're seeing the results of, uh, the tile drainage. 49 So we, you're, you're correct, Damien, we're, 50 we just keep seeing the benefits from this thing 51 and we keep just gleaning information out of it. 52 Uh, you know, whether it's on the plant date side 53 or whether it's on the yielding side, um, 54 or whether it's on the whole farm, average side. 55 All this stuff keeps compiling in. 56 We got some good data on it. 57 So the trial one, what we call it, the first one that, uh, 58 darling, all the folks come in over there 59 and put in it was, it was 40, 40, 40 acres or better. 60 We pulled 32 acres out of this field, okay. 61 To get this field average. 62 The field's 178 acres and, but 30 acres of it, we pulled out 63 and we slid the, it's all irrigated. 64 We took the field maps, slid it here, 65 and it slid it one way. 66 The same kind of design. 67 And so this first one we went, it, it went 3 0 8 for 68 that average on at 32 acres, and the nun til went 2 98. 69 So we was pleased with that, you know, and, 70 and we, and we keep seeing this. 71 So this is, I think, three years old. 72 I I, my time gets away from it, 73 but I think it's three years old now. 74 Where we, where we're at on this, 75 I think it was put in in 21, so yeah. 76 Yeah. If it's the field I was in, it was June of 21. 77 When I came see you 21. It was your first tile job. 78 I, I gotta ask the question. I, 79 I think the viewers are gonna ask, 80 or the people that are watching the replay, the members, 81 uh, 10 bushels more. 82 That's nice, but that's 40 bucks in the current market. 83 Can you justify a tile drainage job 84 for 40 more dollars per year 85 For 50 years? 86 Yeah, You sure can. And that's just this year. 87 So, and that's just a one crop. 88 So what, and then, you know, we, we've got it in, 89 you've seen this where we had it in the wheat field. 90 In the wheat field, it's huge. 91 You know, we always talk about the corn and soybeans, 92 but in wheat, 'cause the problem is with the corn, 93 like if it's wet, you don't plant it, you back off 94 of it and you square it off. 95 Not a big deal. In the wheat field, it's dry. 96 In October, when you plant your wheat, 97 you fertilize it, you plant it all. 98 I mean, the whole field's worked up. It's all planted. 99 And then it drowns out in 5, 10, 15 acre increments. 100 So you had all the inputs that you've lost, 101 and then here you are in the wheat part of it 102 and not, not gathering anything. 103 So that's where real huge at the wheat, 104 One of the points that you Got some real good 105 data on wheat as well. 106 One of the points you made, sorry, one 107 of the points you made with the drainage thing is that a lot 108 of people don't think about is you might have acres. 109 This, you, you showed a 10 yield, uh, 10 bushel change. 110 But the other one that you pointed out was, 111 there's been years where because of drowning, 112 you had zero bushels and you still had all the expense. 113 So if it cost you how many, how many dollars 114 to put out an acre of corn 115 Without, so, so let's look at yes, according, 116 it's according if you're mad 117 or if you're me, you know, it's real. 118 I'm just, I'm just messing with me and him go back 119 and forth all the time on the inputs. 120 So let's just look to the swan cot. 121 Okay, let's look for, look at that trial a second. Okay. 122 That wet hole that we've done it, 123 y'all all seen pictures of, okay? 124 The first year we had seven acres. That was a zero. Okay? 125 The pivot runs across it. Everything runs across it. 126 The first year we did tile, 127 or like this last year that we had tile on it, 128 it went 271 bushel. 129 So now wrap your mind around that 271 bushel 130 of acre on seven acres. 131 That was been a zero for my whole, you know, 132 we've never planted anything on it, right? 133 You know, we'd come in there and plant something, 134 get 20 bushel off of it or something. 135 But it was just to kind of come back. 136 'cause dad couldn't stand the, you know, bare spots of it. 137 But we have trial after trial like this. 138 We also have the trial two, what we're gonna call it. 139 And like I said, we'll put all this data out there 140 and a DS is gonna have this data as well. 141 But trial two, we we're, we're trialing 142 for the first year in corn. 143 Three inch on thirties, three inch on forties, 144 and four inch on forties, all put together. 145 And, uh, and 10 15 acre tracks. 146 You know, so it's a 40 acre trial with these three in it. 147 So they went, by 148 The way, did the person that doesn't understand tile 149 drainage, you were just, 150 you were describing the diameter of the 151 Diameter pipe And then on 40 foot centers 152 or 30 foot centers. Yep. 153 Yep. And so pattern, Pattern, tile, drainage, got 154 It. We're looking at three inch 155 because over, historically, 156 what I'm learning is in a north horse, historically, 157 people put in some three inch tile on rented land. 158 You know, so 'cause the cost comes down, it's, 159 it's more economical, you know, to get it in. 160 Let's say you have a 10 year contract, 161 it would be cheaper to put in. 162 So that's why we kind of done this trial. 163 And all of them right now are 164 yielding pretty close to the, the same. 165 But I mean the four inch on forties, this was a, 166 we pulled seven acres outta this zone. 167 It went 2 45. Okay? 168 Then a three inch on forties went 2 46, 169 and then the three inch on thirties went 2 57. 170 So that's just where it was zoned in the field. 171 Now if you look at the checks, the check went 2 38 172 to 2 52. 173 So what we're learning here is that it is definitely better, 174 but we, as what we've seen in trial one, 175 this trial is 1-year-old 176 and they talk about how the ground opens up. 177 They talk about how the air is starting to flow to it. 178 They talk about how the water starts moving. 179 So that's what we're seeing in trial one. 180 As the years go, 181 and this is what they told me as the years go, 182 it's kinda like chicken litter. 183 It starts doing better and producing and, 184 and the capillary start evolving 185 to get this water flow to it. 186 But, you know, um, it's, it is got a, we got a lot 187 of good information on these two. 188 I wanna talk about one more thing, Damien is 189 like at Swan Cot where we had that wet hole in 2020 190 before we tiled our plant dates, were May the sixth 191 and June the sixth, when I say and June the sixth, it's 192 'cause it just dried up enough 193 to put a little something on it. 194 Okay? And 2024, last year, 195 our whole farm, whole farm plant date was April 6th. 196 30 Days. 30 days from the best date. 197 Yeah. So the point is, so your big, your big point here is 198 that you gain, you gain a bunch of extra days 199 because of the drainage 200 because the ground got fit so much faster. 201 So you're able to capitalize on, first off, 202 it makes it easier on you from a timing standpoint, 203 but also it gives you that much more time for 204 that crop to get sunlight. 205 That's, that's right. And that's just this year, 206 like I said, next year those farms 207 will be back in wheat again. 208 And we'll have all the wheat data again coming in on that. 209 And, and I, like I said, I know we blow through a lot this, 210 this information, but y'all know that, you know, 211 all this will be put on here 212 and we're all open to phone calls on it 213 and we can talk further on it. 214 All right? If you wanna know about the data, 215 we're doing part one right now, 216 and we're gonna do part two on December 12th. 217 That's Thursday, December 12th. 218 After that date, starting on December 13th, the information 219 and data from these guys will begin going up on the 220 extreme AG website. 221 It's gonna be impossible for us to have all 222 of it up there immediately, 223 but it'll begin going up on December 13th. 224 And then all of it will be up there 225 pretty promptly thereafter. 226 So, concept agritech, 227 you had something you wanna share about concept agritech? 228 Yeah. Yeah. You know, our, our concept agritech, we, uh, 229 we use total FOSS in our, uh, infer program. 230 And it's kinda like own, you know, we have a couple, two 231 or three companies and we just, these products are, 232 they just work good for us. 233 And so the farm that I, couple farms that I use concept on, 234 for my infer part, it was kind of a whole farm deal. 235 It's 'cause we just believe in it. 236 We've not really tested anymore. 237 It's kind of our grower standard, whether it's, you know, 238 however we've done it. 239 But what we was testing for them this year was, um, 240 on the double crop beans. 241 And it is lost my mind. 242 What, um, what we, 243 Matt, help me one second. 244 The, uh, the growth, the PGR that we was putting on, 245 I didn't, I didn't write it down here. 246 Amino growth, okay. Yeah. 247 So we, we double cropped beans on Amino Grove and, 248 and that's what we was, we was working on 249 and we picked up which bushel, 250 we picked up, uh, three bushel. 251 The check was 61 bushel. These were double crop beans. 252 Planted May the 31st. 253 And the check was 61 bushel and the plot was 64 bushel. 254 And that was one shot of amino grow. 255 And that was, uh, right prior to R three is when we, 256 when we put that shot on. 257 Well, and Chad, explain 258 and Chad explain how how much if that, you know, 259 to get anything out of double 260 crops, that's a really big deal. 261 So, so I wanna run through on this same farm, y'all, 262 I wanna run through 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 checks. 263 Okay? Just, just, just bear with me just one second. 264 I'm not gonna tell you what they are, but we have a 265 61, a 64. 266 What's your concept? We have a 60 and a 61. 267 We have a 61 and a 62. We have a 61 and 63. 268 You see what I'm talking about? To 269 get anything, I've double crops. 270 We've done this for multiple years 271 and to get anything out of the, the growing window is 272 so tight and we need liquid sunshine is what we need. 273 You know, you just run outta that window 274 and it's a big deal. 275 And, and you know, me and tempo, 276 and I was talking a few weeks ago 277 and it's like, you know, we don't need to, we need 278 to start steering away from, oh, it was too bush. 279 We need to talk about the percentages. 280 Because if you look at the percentage of increase here on 281 that, yeah, I mean, you're looking at three bushel on 60 282 bushel yield, you know, so that, that percentage, 283 5%, That's 5%. 284 You're right, Matt. So 285 that's the things we're looking at is those things. 286 But to, but just to come in here and say, I'm gonna make 10 287 or 15 bushel on double crop beans. 288 Just very hard to do. It's just hard to do. 289 You'll see, you'll see the ones and twos and three, 290 and Matt, can you tell me off the top of your head, kind of 291 what amino grow cost per 292 Acre? Uh, 293 I really can't, Chad. 294 It's, it's not, it's not, it's like $7 an acre maybe. 295 I'm, I'm thinking $8 an acre. 296 It, there's no way it's one bushel worth. 297 There's no way It's one bush. 298 No, it's less than a bushel. 299 It's less than a bushel when we picked up three. Okay. 300 So that's, that's kind of what we're 301 talking about here on the concept. 302 Agritech deal, you know, and, and we'll move further. 303 And that's when we talk to some of the guys about 304 what we wanna do because the double crops 305 for my area is a big deal. 306 That's a big deal for us. And 307 Yeah. So here's 308 a question. By the way. 309 If you have any questions, if you're watching this 310 and you're, and you wanna participate 311 and you have a question, please type in a question 312 and we'll make sure we get it. 313 I've got a question that somebody watching this might 314 be, uh, wondering. 315 You and Matt, uh, and Johnny all do double crop. 316 Does, do you think that you get a bigger bang for your buck 317 with the am amino grow 318 because, uh, stuff's going in a little later 319 because it's coming after wheat? 320 Or do you think it matters? Does this 321 matter to somebody in Ohio? 322 I, I mean, I don't know on the double crop side, Matt, 323 Matt can explain that amino grow, you know, a little better. 324 And two, you know, they, they thought at first 325 it's, it is really expanded. 326 They thought at first if, if you couldn't, 327 if you didn't have it out by what, 328 or three, you know, Matt, they wanna out real early. 329 Now they're moving it back to 330 where they're seeing the benefits back as well as four. 331 So we're, we're testing the time of time 332 of the season also when we wanna put it out 333 and how well it's working then 334 because they're definitely the guys over definitely evolving 335 how they're using it, 336 You know? Yeah. Damon, it's 337 a new product, so we're trying 338 to figure out exactly the timing on it and where it goes 339 and what it needs to do. 340 You know, I've seen tremendous, uh, 341 pot load and different things. 342 Uh, when I, when I put my trial out last year. 343 But in the end, you know, there wasn't a lot 344 of yield difference, but it was 345 because I needed more fertilize to be able 346 to make, make it really shine. 347 So we haven't, you know, the, the cool thing is Chad's, 348 you know, what Chad did was on double crop 349 and double crop, you just don't get much. 350 It changes double crop 351 'cause it's so hot in our area when we do it, you know, 352 and just some of these inputs don't work 353 and it was very good there. 354 So we're just, we're still in the initial 355 stages to figure out where it's at, 356 You know, and, and Johnny will talk about it. 357 Johnny will talk about it as well. 358 You know, also in what we're seeing on these, 359 if you're going to use the PGR 360 and you're not planning on putting fertility with it, 361 just don't waste your time on PGR. 362 Yes. Because that's what 363 Matt seemed to start with, you know? 364 Yeah. We got it working and then we didn't have the load 365 and we didn't have the fertility behind it to push that PGR 366 to make it do what it, you know, it triggered the plant 367 to do this and then the plant didn't have any 368 groceries to go get that. That's 369 Right. So you're not 370 planning on putting a, stacking some kind 371 of fertility with this thing or come in in front of 372 or behind it with some sort of fertility. 373 You might have rethink your whole plan on it. 374 And Chad just, just, I went back 375 and looked through some of my pricing 376 and stuff somewhere between the eight $10 range. 377 So you're looking at a bushel, 378 so it don't take much to pay for it. 379 You said $18 an acre? 380 No, eight to 10. Eight to ten Eight. 381 Eight to 10. $8 to $10. Thank you. 382 Uh, Johnny, by the way, you wanted 383 to kick in on something about the concept Agritech Chad's 384 point right there that if you're gonna do it, 385 he said make sure you've got the fertility. 386 Yeah. 'cause I mean, like Chad said, a lot 387 of times we're running out of time, 388 but when you can get 5% return on some 389 of these applications, that's big. 390 But just make sure you're packing some type of fertility 391 to help fill that seed out at the end. 392 We could set more clusters, we can set more pods, 393 but if we don't have the nutrients there to fill 'em, 394 it's not gonna weigh enough to matter at the end. 395 And I think Chad had a good point on that. 396 And for us, a lot of times everybody wants 397 to put their trial on their highest yielding ground. 398 That's always the easiest place to put 'em. 399 But you don't always see the returns like you do, 400 like in a double crop being situation where you're already 401 limiting your yield because of the late season planting. 402 So I think Chad had a good point there. 403 And you know, something that's eight to $10 an acre, 404 you know, and being able to help set those clusters. 405 'cause it's all about holding more flowers, 406 holding more pods, and then filling 'em out to the end. 407 Okay. We've got a question from wind Parkinson, 408 and since you guys are talking about it, uh, any 409 of you can take this one, but he says, what kind 410 of fertility would you put with it? 411 I assume he's talking about the amino amino grow. 412 Then what's the, what's the accompanying fertility? That's 413 Tough Recommendation. 414 So any, any of these companies will have 415 what we would call, you know, a micro pack, 416 whether it's from concept agritech or one of these others. 417 But we need to make sure that, that, that thing is, 418 we're headed to what we would need. 419 You know, let's say we know in R three we're 420 gonna need some potassium, right? 421 We know we're gonna need 422 that potassium coming in to fill o seed. 423 So make sure your potassium levels are going 424 to be sustainable and high enough, 425 but make sure we're gonna feed it with that. 426 The next thing is, is the other nutrients as well. 427 We always gonna need boron. 428 You know, you're gonna need boron in 429 there to help with seed size. 430 So, you know, it would be a good sound 431 micro you're gonna need, 432 If you're gonna talk To some, to some, to some sort of, 433 it is what we would need. 434 But make sure if you've got this in the game plan, 435 you would also have that pec coming in, in your, 436 maybe in your herbicide plant as well. 437 So, you know, it needs to be in front of. 438 And then with it, you know, to keep that plant 439 knowing what we're going to do, 440 I would, I would, I would kind of say if I would go five 441 to 10 bushel above your goal that you for fertilize for, 442 so if you're fertilizing for 70 bushels, 443 I would probably go 75 to 80. 444 Or if you're 80, I'd go to 85 to 90 to give that PGR 445 the groceries it needs to be able 446 to make its full potential. 447 Yeah, that's a good point. Got it. 448 Uh, is that, do you think that answers the question, Johnny, 449 do you have anything on the fertility? 450 No, that sounds good. Okay. 451 Chad, Chad, spray tech, um, you've got some, uh, 452 some stuff you found with spray tech. 453 Uh, tell us about it. 454 Yep. So spray tech come in 455 and again, we're, we're working hard on these double crops. 456 We use a lot of spray tech products as well. 457 Um, you know, spray tech's been the one I've been using 458 for my boron source. 459 And it's simply because, you know, 460 one is there's two different kinds of boron in it. 461 Okay? Two different, and then the next part of that boron 462 as well is the fact that I can put a bag in 463 for a hundred acre load. 464 Okay? And that's a half pound acre mm-Hmm. 465 I don't have to put a tote on a truck. Mm-Hmm. 466 So that's one of the reasons that I use it as well is, 467 is as logistics. 468 So we studied on this, you know, we use it on our corn. 469 We, I ain't gonna say we hadn't, 470 we've quit checking on our corn, but we hadn't. 471 We've got some trials coming next year, 472 but not really any trials this year. 473 We just used the products. 474 Um, so, but with spray tech, what we've done, 475 again, was double crops. 476 We was focusing on them. We had 477 a good pivot there at the house. 478 And the check, excuse me, the check was 65 bushel 479 and the spray tech was 69 bushel. 480 Uh, and that's where we hit with that. 481 That was one treatment of adjuvant, uh, 482 it had adjuvant in it early 483 with when we'd done our herbicide 484 and then it, we, we also had in there, uh, potassium. 485 And then we had their, uh, what's their micro pack? Matt? 486 The, the spray tech one? Shoot, I done lost the train 487 Thought. Now he's muting, 488 he's muted. 489 I, yeah, but you talking about cube? 490 Yep. We had cube, that's right. 491 So we had, we had cube beans, dang. Boom. 492 And, and those are what we had. 493 And then we come back with one more shot of potassium 494 as well because they were irrigated beans 495 and we was trying to push 'em pretty hard. 496 So the pa potassium, you know, is a four ounce use rate. 497 The cube is four to seven 498 ounces, I think something like that. 499 And then, uh, adjuvant is two ounce rate. 500 So, well, the thing about the thing about their potassium 501 is, you know, you're talking about four ounces where a lot 502 of these other companies, we have to use a gallon. 503 And that's a big deal with spray tech is they're, 504 they're condensing their products and concentrating them. 505 Where, I mean, when you got a spray trailer, like we, 506 we all run, if, if you can get something 507 that's four ounces versus a gallon, 508 that's a really big deal. 509 Yeah. And you could tell in the jug that it's there 510 'cause of how heavy the, the jugs are. 511 Yeah. Yep. 512 It was Q cube i 513 or four ounces, two ounces of adjuvant, four ounces of k 514 and a half pound of boron. 515 And then the second pass was adjuvant K and boron max. 516 Same, same thing. Yeah. 517 So Q1 time K two times is, is how this program went. 518 And we picked up four bushel on that, um, as, as, 519 and that was really impressed with that as well. 520 And two, you gotta look at, again, we was at a low use rate. 521 You're talking about ounces on all those. 522 And man, that just makes it nice when you're trying 523 to spray eight or 900 acres a day, you know, 524 with eight tank loads a day is a good day, you know. 525 Well, and, and Chad, we need to talk about this too. 526 We asked them to, to reformulate the boron 527 to put it in a 50 pound bag. 528 Yes. And you know, we went, we went out there 529 and tour their facility, you know, this past year, 530 and they absolutely listened to 531 what we said a hundred percent. 532 And we had 50 pound bags this year. 533 So they're, the thing 534 that's the cool thing about spray tech is they're listening 535 to the farmer and doing what the farmer needs. 536 And, and you know, like I said, I, I mean there's all, 537 and a lot of people are, you know, 538 real worried about a dry boron source. 539 You know, is it going to cake up? What's it going to do? 540 They've got a video on their website. 541 I think, if not, call me. 542 I'll send you a video where Jackson put 50 pound in a seven 543 gallon inductor. 544 So if you wanna see how how smooth it goes through there, 545 you know, it, it'll run through the inductor, which me, 546 when I'm filling, all I do is walk it up the thing, 547 put one bag on top of the tank, you know, 548 as the tank's sitting there filling is what I usually do. 549 So it, it just works real well. 550 Do you struggle to go to use such low rates? 551 I mean, you know, you 552 and Temple kinda like to dump gallons of stuff. 553 Are you able to make the adjustment 554 to only putting like one ounce on per acre? 555 Um, you know, it's just not a problem in their trial. 556 Now let's talk about what I do outside the trial. 557 All right. Yeah. Gallons. All right. 558 Last thing you go but trouble with that before you go 559 and get in your race car Wholeganics, you have, uh, 560 something to share with about Holganix? 561 Yes. Um, uh, so the Wholeganics trials, 562 we run a couple of those. 563 One was with our furrow system 564 and we, we put in furrow down my in furrow, 565 we put Wholeganics 566 and we put no in furrow down is what we went 567 with across the field all the way across 40 acres. 568 And we skipped it all the way across it. 569 Uh, when we come back to it, it was, uh, 570 it put two bushel over. 571 This was in corn. Now it put two bushel over my 572 infer system, you know, so we had a real 573 great planting season. 574 I'm thinking that's maybe some of it 575 because all the, the, when we planted it was real, 576 it was not real dry, but it was good planting season. 577 Good window. It, this was planted 578 around April the fifth or sixth. 579 And so, you know, but, 580 but we did pick, we picked up two bushel on that, 581 on the Wholeganics infer. 582 Okay. What, and that, 583 What'd you learn about Hogans? 584 Uh, this is what our second year working with them 585 and, uh, they, they've been to our, uh, field days. 586 We know we had really good filming stuff at, uh, 587 I think it was at, uh, Matt's and also at Temple's. 588 Um, did you learn anything from year one to year two? 589 Yeah. No, not really. 590 We, they, you know, we've talked to 'em a lot 591 and you know, they're, they're a good company. 592 Uh, we we're still learning, 593 we're still learning where to use it. 594 Um, we're also still learning about their breakdown product. 595 You know, we're using it behind our corn in front 596 of our wheat, or we're putting it in 597 with our wheat herbicide, you know, when we plant the wheat. 598 So to break those corn stalks down on the double crop side 599 of it, we picked up, uh, 600 we picked up two bushel on the breakdown, 601 plus spraying it on the wheats stubble. 602 We picked up two bushel on it. So, 603 And that's a res, that's a residue, a residue decom, 604 decom decomposition product. 605 That's right. I know you say, well, it's two bushel corn, 606 then you had two bushel of beans. 607 But you're looking at it, the bean environment was dry land 608 beans and it was 27 bushel acre and then 29 bushel acre. 609 So that's, you know, that's kind of what we, 610 what we was looking at in, in that part of the field 611 where you seen some of the videos go out, out. 612 So that was, that was pretty big, you know, to do that. 613 Got it. Uh, we got a question from Alan Hunt, 614 and I think everybody can answer this. 615 What do you figure for application costs for the sprayer? 616 I think he's saying like, what do you, 617 what would you pay yourself for the cost of a 618 to spray it per acre? 619 Well, most everybody's running what, 620 $7 an acre per per application? 621 Something like that. 7, 7 58 622 Johnny? Yeah, 623 I would agree with that. Yeah. $7 an acre. Yeah. 624 Seven to eight. Yeah, I agree with that. Yep. 625 Eight bucks. Okay. Seven to $8. Thank you Alan. All. 626 We're gonna move on now and we're gonna go back 627 and forth between Johnny and Matt and Lane 628 because, uh, uh, 629 I wanna make sure that they don't fall asleep. 630 So Johnny, let's start off with you. Uh, you did something. 631 I got one more. Has, has any, has anybody, uh, 632 who's talking about Nutri Charge? 633 We haven't talked about it yet. Nope. That's on my list. 634 Yep, go ahead. What do you guys say? 635 Me? Okay. Yep. Um, I did a nutri charge tryout, 636 my field day, and I had Nutri charge, I had Nutri charge, 637 uh, check, and then Nutri charge release. 638 And all those was done. The nut charge release was done 639 with a strip freshener 640 and the nut charge was done with a planter, you know, 641 so we put that in the band, the release 642 and the nut charge went 2 51. 643 The check went 2 33. 644 Nonetheless, a big number, this is a, 645 this is on a 500 foot pass is the way we had to do it 646 with our, with our, uh, the way, just the way we're set up. 647 But it was 500 foot pass this 16 rows wide. 648 So whatever the math is on the acres on that, 649 that would probably be, uh, right at, uh, 650 a little over half, maybe right at half acre. 651 Uh, and then the new charge check was 2 33, 652 and then the new charge release was 2 43. 653 But that just gets you some of the, 654 the yield results from the, uh, 655 trial itself from the field day. 656 You know, we had the stuff at the field day 657 and we also have our nature stuff, our agri liquid stuff 658 and all that as well, you know, so whenever. 659 Cool. So, uh, agritech, USA, uh, 660 our friend James should be happy 661 because you really banged the drum on that. 662 Is there anything else? You talked about Agri liquid, uh, 663 your, your, your race sponsor? No, 664 And also we did a, we, we did a 40 acre, a big, 665 a big trial is on, actually is 140 acre field. 666 And we striped 40 acres 667 of this same thing if you pull the data out of it. 668 And we did it in a, in, in a big, 669 and we did it on a, uh, three acre grid. 670 If we do a three acre grid, the new charge went 180, 671 the check went 1 76 and the new charge release went 180. 672 Okay. If you scoot it over in the field 673 and do it again in another zone, the new charge went two 15, 674 the check went two 10 and the release went two 19. 675 So we're looking at, you know, 676 we're looking at these zones when you zone this field out on 677 the, on the map and you get two or three acres out, 678 and then you start skipping across 679 the field in different areas. 680 This was, this corn was planted, this is corn, 681 and it was planted, um, the 30th of March. 682 So it was planted early. And this field, again, was done, 683 all of these products was put in with a strip freshener. 684 So it was put in two weeks ahead of the corn planter. 685 And, and so I thought that was some real good data. 686 You know, you're looking at four bushel on charge, 687 new charge release, and then you're looking at anywhere from 688 five bushel to nine bushel in a different zone, when 689 to charge new charge release. 690 And that gets it outta these 500 foot passes. 691 You know, I just wanted to give everybody that trial data 692 because it was in our, in, in our field day. 693 But this is the data that Extreme Ag is known for, 694 right here is the big farm data. 695 When you talk about 40, 50 acre trials, 696 you're picking up four to five bushel in zones that are, 697 that are big zones that you can break out. 698 I got a question from Adrian Lockley. 699 Anybody wanna take this on? 700 Is Nutri charge on wheat question mark? 701 Uh, are, I think he might be asking, 702 did you use Nutri charge on wheat or should you use, 703 or what's the questionnaire and what's the answer? 704 Yes, Answer's yes. Okay. Yes. 705 So what we're, we're looking at, 706 we're looking at another weak trial, Adrian and, uh, me 707 and me, and you'll talk about that later of course, 708 but, uh, uh, we're putting down a 10 ounce rate 709 of nutri charge, which is outta sting you a little bit, 710 but we're putting out a 10 ounce rate over 711 the top with a herbicide. 712 So I think Matt had done some of that 713 with Rice, didn't you, Matt? 714 Mm-Hmm. And Matt seemed real good results. 715 So we're trying to trickle over on the wheat Now. 716 Last year I used it on wheat and I picked up, 717 but I used a 3.2 ounces 718 and I probably should have used more, 719 but I used 3.2 ounces twice when I used put out my nitrogen 720 and I put out 15 gallon of nitrate 721 and they kind of got it to where anything 722 over what, 10 gallon. 723 They want you to up the rate Matt, I'm thinking on that. 724 Yeah. But, so I was on the light side, 725 but it ended up with 6.4 ounces in two applications and, 726 and it increased the seeing, 727 I don't remember Adrian exact numbers, but, 728 but we are using it on every crop. 729 Got it. You charge on every crop. 730 Anything else that you wanna share, Chad? 731 Uh, I mean, no. 732 I mean, if anybody ha you know, I haven't, you know, 733 like I said, if y'all go ahead, 734 I don't wanna take up no more time, 735 but I have a lot of information here on 736 other companies as well. 737 If y'all just let me know if you need anything. 738 I got a Question for you, Chad. Are you gonna win? 739 Are you gonna win a, are you gonna 740 win when you go out there and race? 741 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's all I wanna know. Well, 742 He's gonna stay, he's gonna stay on 743 until they call his name and then he's gonna go 744 And see how nice I look. 745 I'm trying to, you know, be presentable. 746 You know, it's, we tried to run this thing like we 747 got something been here before. 748 He is, he is the, he's the, he's the Roger Penske of uh, 749 of eighth Mile of eighth Mile, uh, drag racing. 750 All right, so remember if you're watching this 751 and you wanna know about the data beginning on 752 December 13th, we're gonna start putting this on the extreme 753 ag.farm website specifically exclusively 754 for you, the paying members. 755 All right? Then we're gonna bounce back 756 and forth between the Miles Brothers 757 and Johnny Rell, Johnny Rell, Maritim, you did some work, 758 uh, uh, trial with Maritim. 759 What'd you use and what'd you find out? 760 Yeah, so we did the Hopper throttle, uh, 761 trial with them this year. 762 And so on corn, we did a trial 763 and we put our full infer program 764 versus just their hopper throttles. 765 We just turned our infer off 766 and went out across the field there 767 and going up against our infer program. 768 It was actually three bushel less, which sounds bad, 769 but when you look at what our cost of our infer program is, 770 our standard practice infer program is, 771 it was actually a better ROI by about four or $5 an acre 772 because it had less in it. 773 The flip side of that is, is where I turned on my infer 774 and ran the hopper throttle. 775 I had about a six bushel increase when I did that. 776 And I seen this two years in a row, 777 roughly the same number as two years in a row. 778 And I think a lot of it goes back to some of the things 779 that the Hopper throttle has in it 780 that I don't have in my infer program. 781 But the main thing is, is probably a two x-ray of zinc. 782 So putting a seed applied zinc with the hopper throttle 783 and a quart to the acre like we normally run on our infer, 784 I think is a lot of it there. 785 So for us that, you know, it's, um, you know, 786 you don't always get a positive yield, 787 but you get a positive ROI on things too. 788 All right. Hey Jody. So by the way, most farmers don't, 789 can't handle the idea of having less yield 790 because all they want is more and more and more, 791 but you bring it to the dollar thing. 792 So I like that. So give us the, the quick 793 and dirty is the, the economic response was five 794 to five plus dollars, five, 795 Six bucks more profitable than my infer 796 program. Yeah. Jeff, 797 I would like to, uh, 798 if you would elaborate just a second on those stalks 799 that y'all, you and Temple pulled out there at my field date 800 when we had it, and 801 that ended up being a one bushel increase against my at, 802 in a 500 foot plot. 803 It ended up being a one bushel increase against my infer. 804 Yeah. So like at Chad's Field day, I went out there 805 and Temple came up and was picking at me 806 'cause he said I cherry picked the stalks. 807 So I gave temple the shovel 808 and told him to go pull all the stalks he wanted. 809 So he went out there and started digging, digging stalks 810 and came back and he was amazed. 811 And a lot of it goes back to the, the Terra sim piece 812 and stuff like that that's going in there. 813 You get the bigger root balls, 814 you get the more root development early on, stuff like that. 815 The stalk diameter was bigger in Chad's plot. 816 So there's a lot of things going on there, uh, 817 that really did show a good ROII mean, 818 visually when you see stuff, it's always positive, 819 but at the end of the year when you get 820 that ROI, that's a big deal too. 821 And at Chad's, uh, field day, it was amazing the, 822 the difference in the diameters of the stalk 823 and the root balls themselves. 824 So, you know, if it wasn't an irrigated plot, 825 it could have really paid off maybe more 826 with the size roots that you were able to grow. 827 Chad, 828 Johnny, I'm gonna ask a question. 829 I think everybody on this webinar probably has a 95% chance 830 of, they, they probably know the answer. 831 When Temple took a shovel 832 and went out into a field, did you come back all dirty? 833 Did you have like dirt on his pants and dirt on his shirt 834 and like dirt behind his ears? 835 Did he come back all dirty and 836 Yeah, he's the only person I've ever seen 837 that carries root balls inside his shirt. 838 So it's pretty funny. 839 When he came back, he, uh, he, uh, he was, 840 he was getting all into it, but he really did. 841 He walked up and he was like, man, you went out there 842 and cherry picked these stalks. 843 And I was like, well there's the, 844 there's the split row right there. 845 You walk down and pick the ones you want. 846 And it was eyeopening. It was eyeopening for him. 847 And he saw great results on his, on emergence 848 and stuff in his trials this year too. 849 The question from Brett Heineman, Brett says, 850 with Nutri Charge or your soils low on P. 851 And I think that what we discovered, uh, by the way, Brett, 852 I I might be able to take this, one 853 of the first podcasts I ever did with, uh, 854 Matt Miles, Matt go, 855 Yeah. So 856 no, my, my soils are high in pea, 857 but we couldn't, couldn't get those, 858 we couldn't get the pea in the plant. 859 So that's where Nutri Charge really kicked in 860 because it released the bonds between it and calcium 861 and magnesium and put it in the plant. 862 So we had very high numbers of P 863 and couldn't get those in a tissue sample. 864 And that's where the Nutri charge kicked in for us. 865 Yeah. So that, by the way, there's an old podcast 866 that's going back and I don't know if our, 867 our producer Wills, uh, just got outta the hospital 868 with a hip replacement, 869 otherwise he usually shares the link. 870 But one of the very first podcasts I did with, uh, Matt 871 was probably three years ago, 872 and it was all about, they had excess amounts, 873 excessive amounts of phosphorus in their soils, 874 but somehow the plants were always deficient 875 through soil or through tissue sampling. 876 They discovered it. And that's 877 where the agritech USA product helped 'em so much. 878 'cause it gives you absorption 879 of nutrients you're already paying for. 880 Alright, let's move on to the Miles Brothers. 881 Um, one that you were excited 882 to tell about was FGS Fluid Growth Solutions, 883 which is now changed his name 884 to Activated Carbon Technologies. 885 Our buddy Brad and uh, Brandon over there. 886 Um, what'd you do with them and and how'd it turn out? 887 Yeah, so we, this is our second year 888 putting it out on rice. 889 And Rice is like a really finicky plant. 890 It's more like wheat. 891 And uh, we got a, I mean, 892 and I don't normally on when we do double digit 893 yield results, I'm a little bit hesitant of it, 894 but it's been two years in a row. 895 We got 15 bushels this year. 896 We got 18 or 19 last year. 897 So we got a 17 bushel increase on rice in two years, 898 which is gonna make us put it 899 as our grower standard practice. 900 And Damien, just, just to kind of elaborate on 901 that just a little bit, I was doing data, you know, 902 a couple, three weeks ago and got to that 903 and I looked at those yield maps. 904 I'm like, all right, there's some, there's some there. 905 And it's literally green on one side of the field, 906 red on the other side of the field. 907 'cause it's like a what, a 40 acre truck? Yeah. 908 Acre trial error. If we'd have had a picture 909 of our yield map after that, it's, I mean it's a no-brainer. 910 It's big. And I called dad, I'm like, 911 Hey, I need you to come look at something. 912 Come look at something we're like right now. 913 And it w that that's what we got. And for Miles 914 Mo, most people that are on this call, 915 and most people keep up with stream ag are not rice 916 producers because Rex is 917 grown in like seven or eight states. 918 Arkansas being the biggest one when you said 17 bushels. 919 So that we can, so that the person listening 920 to this can realize on a percentage basis what you went from 921 what to watt, just so that that helps the person 922 that's not familiar with Rice, 923 Well I don't have that data, 924 but it was, I mean he can get that data, 925 but let's go to soybeans. 926 So we got a four bushel increase on soybeans and this year 927 and last year was about the same. 928 So you're looking at $40 an acre for a $20 investment. 929 Yeah, but Lane's gonna try to find the data. 930 He is got his computer up. Well 931 What's an average, what, what's an average two? 932 You're looking at? Two 30 and 2 45. 933 Okay. Okay. So, and at $7 a bushel. 934 Okay, there you go. So, so going up, 935 going up 17 bushels on $7, $7 bushels of rice 936 and also that's, that's like an 8% jump, 937 17 bushels on two 30, right? Isn't that what very 938 Comparable to corn yields? Yeah. Yeah. 939 Okay. Thank you. 940 Uh, both LLS 941 and Mile Farms, uh, did some stuff 942 with vi Why don't you tell us about VI please? 943 Jv You wanna go first? You want me to go first? Yeah, 944 I'll go first. So you, you 945 know that the first year I've ever 946 used this product with this company 947 or even used any product of 'em 948 and yep, we did an infer of fungicide, which is called 949 asteroid, is what they call their product, 950 I believe is what, how you pronounce it. 951 And the way I understand it's a, it's a Quadris 952 and they have figured out how to semi 953 encapsulate I think is how they say that. 954 Ain't that right? They don't call it encapsulated, right? 955 Yep. And so basically what 956 that's doing is just basically allowing us to tank mix. 957 So we're able to use our normal infra program 958 and add a fungicide to it. 959 And 10 years ago when we added a product like Quadric 960 to our infra program, it turned into like cottage cheese 961 and it made just the worst mess you ever seen. 962 So they had figured out how to make this product safe 963 to go in our infer system. 964 And for us this year on corn, we actually had a, uh, 965 seven bushel response on corn 966 and uh, was tickled to death with that. 967 I didn't know what to expect on that on soybeans, 968 I did not get a response at all. 969 But the beans were greener, looked healthier, 970 I thought they were gonna be a little bit better 971 'cause they actually came up and 972 grew off a little bit better. 973 But at the end of the day it was an even response. 974 But our soybeans got extremely hot and dry at the end. 975 So greenfield, you know, definitely got cut short on those 976 but on corn and we had a seven bushel response 977 and it was, once again you had a healthier plant 978 and it's unreal the difference it looked coming up. 979 And the biggest thing is this easability of using it 980 because so many times you try 981 to do a fungicide infer you're going to do a dose system 982 or something like that where it's injecting it straight into 983 the fur versus going through your infer system. 984 So 985 Infer Forrow package in Forrow package 986 is, uh, what we'll talk about. 987 All right. So real quickly, um, do you think on a year 988 that isn't so stressful toward the end your 989 soybeans would've seen a reaction? 990 Well, the way they grew off 991 and is they were actually greener going into, you know, 992 like the R three R five states, they look better, 993 but I just, I really think we just ran outta moisture and, 994 but these were in pretty high environments. 995 I think the beans were both cut 80 bushel, 996 which on dry land was phenomenal for us. 997 It was in the bottom. But I do think 998 it just ran outta moisture. 999 It could have been a little bit better but low. 1000 They weren't expecting to see such of the beans. 1001 They, they really thought the corn was gonna shine 1002 and it, and it really did shine 1003 Matt and Lane Vibe by the way, you tuning in late 1004 and you wonder what's going on. 1005 They're at, they're at, uh, in Western Kansas hunting 1006 and that's why they're dressed like this. 1007 They uh, they don't always look like this. 1008 They don't always look like this. 1009 All right vibe, what do you got? 1010 So vibe, I'm really excited about vi 1011 so vibe when when they come to talk to me, 1012 it was all about root knot nematodes. 1013 And that is one thing that we battle on cotton 1014 and soybeans as bad as anything is root knot nematodes. 1015 So when they told me what the price was versus 1016 what I was using, I'm like, oh yeah, we gotta try this. 1017 So we got a, so we, we use a product called Vellum 1018 and it's about $24 an acre, 20 to $24 an acre 1019 and their product's $8 an acre. 1020 So we, we put that on our cotton 1021 and we, we did the side by side test. 1022 We actually went majority of that 1023 because this year with a, you know, thin profit margin, 1024 you know, I just decided that would be the thing to do. 1025 We got a plus 27 pounds off of uh, against fell. 1026 And they told me at the beginning, 1027 the guy was really honest, he said We may beat Vellum sum, 1028 we may not beat Vellum sum, but it will be equal to vellum. 1029 So you're talking about the what, a five ounce rate? 1030 Five ounce rate. So we're talking about, you know, 1031 $24 versus $8. 1032 We got a plus 27 average across our plots. 1033 We got a plus 53 on a check, which is nothing at all. 1034 This is on cotton, so take 70 cents a pound. 1035 Yeah. You know with that, uh, beans was a net zero 1036 so we didn't get any more using it than we 1037 did using the vellum. 1038 But when you're looking at it, it's a third of the price. 1039 It was a really big deal for us. 1040 So we, that's one 1041 of the products I'm very excited about on rooting on 1042 nematodes is it took care of everything. 1043 It did exactly what the guys said it would do. 1044 And not only is it cheaper, 1045 but you know, like I said, we, 1046 we run a five ounce rate versus running that what, 1047 12, 14, 16 they right on Bella. 1048 Yeah. Wayne Boden, our friend from Missouri 1049 who also did a little trial for us in conjunction with BASF, 1050 which you can hear about on our website. 1051 Wayne has the question, has anyone tried in furrow fungicide 1052 in place of seed at treatment on soybeans 1053 in furrow fungicide and then not treating the soybeans? 1054 Anybody done that? 1055 That'd probably be Temple on the next webinar. 1056 Okay. Um, Johnny you may want to, 1057 you may wanna talk a second about what I did on the beans. 1058 You know, the full treatment 1059 with bear soybeans on a maim box bucket. 1060 Yeah, so Maim also has a hopper throttle pale system 1061 that has a uh, seed treatment version. 1062 So you can plant naked soybeans they call it. 1063 And you can get the full seed treatment put on. 1064 You can get multiple fungicides, insecticide all in one, 1065 do the hopper bottle treatment, 1066 treat your own soybeans, go out the door with it. 1067 Chad used the this year on several acres. 1068 Uh, as far as I know, he was tickled to death, 1069 uh, with what he was saying. 1070 And it just allows you, if you get behind 1071 and somebody can't supply you with seed treatment 1072 or if it's at a price point to where it's a better price, 1073 it's a good option to have out there. 1074 Well we've just had real good luck with that bucket 1075 so far, you know, with a mayor STEM product. 1076 And I told Johnny, I said, I've got a bunch of acres 1077 that I can't treat that way, you know, due to uh, things 1078 that's going on, you know, so hey, I would rather get it 1079 and treat it myself and do that. 1080 I don't have a seed treater. 1081 So we used about 500 acres of it and was very happy. 1082 I don't, I didn't really have any side by side with it, 1083 but it's some of the better beans 1084 I've grown in the river bottom. 1085 So these river bottoms is about, 1086 I think in the last 50 years we probably had five years 1087 that it wouldn't in soybeans, you know, so it's just a very, 1088 I wouldn't say low yield environment, 1089 but we were talking about trying to make 40 bushel beans, 1090 you know, and we usually, we were making anywhere from 32 up 1091 to 42 and this year we was in that 40 45 range. 1092 So yeah, we was, we was happy with. Alright, 1093 Anything else on VI over there from the miles? 1094 No. All right. Alright, let's move on. 1095 There's another one that you and Johnny have in common. 1096 You both did stuff with um, 1097 Corteva Biologicals, formerly Stoler. 1098 Uh, you both did stuff, um, with Corteva biologicals. 1099 I think Chad might have also, 1100 I know at his farm we talked about it once, 1101 but what you got for me on Corteva biologicals, 1102 uh, you wanna lead off Johnny? 1103 Yeah, I can lead off. So I did a corn trial 1104 and a soybean trial. 1105 Uh, this is my second year of doing trials with them 1106 and it's a pretty simple program. 1107 They got a product called Fortify Stimulate 1108 that you put in fur at planting on, uh, on your corn 1109 and it's basically a PGR to help promote all times, 1110 you know, your root growth, different things like that. 1111 You also come back over the top 1112 with a four ounce use rate infer 1113 and a four ounce use rate over the top with 1114 that V three timing. 1115 With a fortified stimulate again 1116 that's gonna do some more promotion. 1117 PGR type, um, 1118 Yeah PGR type applications going on in your corn. 1119 And then late season in that VT timing there, 1120 we ran a product called Sugar Sugar Mover, premier 1121 and Excite and the, you know, 1122 we've talked about those products 1123 before Damien when you were here, 1124 but mainly the excite piece, 1125 it's got the cytokine piece in it 1126 and we're trying to help mitigate all the stress, 1127 the heat stress that we're going through in 1128 that July timeframe. 1129 Usually when you come down and you're just sweating just 1130 to stand in the shade with us. 1131 But, you know, got really good 1132 responses again this year with those. 1133 I really think a lot of us, the stress mitigation piece 1134 there at the end, I think the PGR has helped, 1135 there's no doubt, but we can always seem 1136 to get everything off to a good start. 1137 It's the heat in July that always makes it hard on us. 1138 But on our corn this year, 1139 we had 11 bushel response on our corn, so 1140 that was a big deal for us. 1141 And the soybeans this year we actually had a, uh, 1142 six bushel response from our soybeans 1143 and I think once again it's going into 1144 that stress mitigation piece 1145 because just the amount of heat we had late season 1146 and to really help those crops, uh, finish out. 1147 'cause we went basically July 25th range almost 1148 to uh, I think sometime first part 1149 of September without a rain. 1150 So during that grain field period on soybeans was a big deal 1151 if you could keep that plant alive 1152 and keep it pushing a little bit longer. 1153 Yeah. And, and, and that's a big deal on this year. 1154 'cause you're not the only dry part 1155 of the country's a whole hell of a lot of the country. 1156 That's Drys ma uh, Corteva Biologicals, Matt and Lane. 1157 Yeah, we ended up, the soybeans was about the same, 1158 but we put the, the pro the products on top 1159 of our grower standard practice on corn 1160 and we got a 8.4 bushel increase on that on that, sorry, 1161 I'm six so I'm coughing about half the time. 1162 But we got a 8.4 bushel increase on the corn 1163 and Lane can tell you what we put out as far as 1164 what we put on, on top of our grow standard. 1165 So we ended up doing, like Johnny, we had a, a, uh, 1166 two shots of that for five stimulant, four ounce rate, 1167 one at planting one B, three to B six. 1168 And then later, uh, right around 1169 that VT R one stage we had the sugar, sugar mover premier 1170 and excite shot, uh, there. 1171 So it was only a, you know, 1172 it was a three shot one in furrow early corn 1173 and then right at vt. 1174 So it was actually a, in my opinion, a pretty easy program 1175 to add on top of what you had it. 1176 Cause you piggyback it to what we're doing. 1177 It's all piggybacked. Everything's 1178 piggybacked to whatever we're doing. 1179 And we got 8.4 bushel increase even at $4. 1180 I mean that was a positive ROI 1181 And low use rates too, on most of their products. Nothing 1182 Very low use rates. The sugar 1183 Mover. Sugar mover's 1184 a little higher, like a 32 ounce use rate. 1185 And the reason we're adding the excite to it is to get more 1186 of the cytokine piece in it. 'cause I 1187 Don't think that's right. Everything's 1188 four ounces except that sugar mover. 1189 That's right. Well, we've done, we've done 1190 that two years in a row, Damon. 1191 So I mean we, it's, it's a proven product. 1192 When I go two years with something and it, and it, 1193 and it's good on two years, 1194 'cause no two years is the same in Arkansas, 1195 then we probably gonna move that to grow standard. 1196 And the cool thing about last year versus this year, 1197 last year we did that on replant corn. 1198 I don't know if, I mean, y'all remember last year, dad, 1199 dad put out a few videos on having to replant corn, whether 1200 or not to do it, not to do it, 1201 it was a whole ordeal, uh, for our farm. 1202 But we took our, our, uh, programs 1203 and we put it on that corn trying to see 1204 what we could do with lake corn. 1205 And this year it was done on early corn. 1206 So two different, you know, one side, the other side. 1207 And we still got yield in increase on both of those. 1208 Hey, J Johnny, what about on the side? 1209 Ain't it the only one that's maybe just a true cytocon? 1210 I think so. I think that's all it is. That's right, that's 1211 Right. 1212 All right. By the way, if you got any questions, 1213 please put 'em in there and the question answer, 1214 we'll make sure you get answered 1215 because we want this to be as interactive as possible. 1216 All right, one more company that you guys both did stuff 1217 with Sound Ag, uh, you used a source product. 1218 So Miles, uh, you wanna lead off. 1219 Tell us about what you did, what you found out, 1220 what you liked, what you didn't like. 1221 Well, there's no dislike at all on it. 1222 And you know, we've done it two years in a row. 1223 This year we got 74 pounds cotton, um, on the cotton. 1224 So it, so we we're getting it to work on the cotton as good 1225 as anything we've ever had in our life. 1226 And, uh, we got 74 pounds this year, uh, 1227 with one ounce shot. 1228 And last year we got triple digit numbers is a hundred, 1229 130, 140 pounds. 1230 I'd have to go back and look, but it was, it was big. 1231 It was big pounds, it was a big deal. 1232 So that will definitely a hundred percent go on our grower 1233 standard practice for cotton for next year. 1234 And the cool thing about that, it's a, 1235 it's a one ounce rate, so another very low use rate. 1236 You ain't gotta carry around a bunch of totes 1237 that you piggyback with something else. 1238 Okay, so when's it go on? 1239 Uh, yeah, first bloom, first square, you know, 1240 somewhere it, there, 1241 there's not an exact time for it, which is pretty cool. 1242 So you got a, a wide window of, of being able to get 1243 that pro product on there. 1244 And you spray cotton so many times 1245 you get in there when you want to. 1246 Okay. So yeah, cotton, you're going across the cotton 1247 field a lot with sprayer. 1248 So this can go with fungicide, herbicide, 1249 Whatever. Well, and I 1250 think JV in their area, 1251 they grow a lot of cotton too. 1252 They're getting the same results 1253 as we are in the same scenario. 1254 And last year was 144 pounds, so 144 1255 and it was 74 this year. 1256 We're averaging them a little 1257 over a hundred pounds. Yeah, all. 1258 So 177 70 cents. 1259 And I will say this, it works better on marginal ground 1260 than it does on high yield ground. 1261 You know, we, Chad talked about that earlier, 1262 but if you got marginal ground, you're putting cotton on it. 1263 I think it's a, i I think it's a must. Yeah. 1264 And so I had cotton plot this year at the field 1265 day, Damien, where y'all were. 1266 And so we've picked the cotton, it hadn't been gin yet, 1267 so it's hard to save the yield just yet. 1268 So I'll have some data on the cotton also. 1269 But on for me, the corn corn works really well for us. 1270 We got corn trials and bean trials out, 1271 but the corn trial is what, uh, is 1272 what I got the data back in on already. 1273 And anyways, long story short, 1274 we got a seven bushel response on it 1275 and we usually always get a good response when we're 1276 reducing our phosphorus in season. So 1277 We'll Actually shave off a little bit 1278 of phosphorus on the front end of the corn crop 1279 to help pay for that product. 1280 And that's where we get the biggest bang 1281 for our buck is when we do that. 1282 Because, you know, this is not a biological, it's, 1283 it's actually, it's, it's not a living organism. 1284 It's, it's actually a manmade synthetic product 1285 and it, it basically just stimulates those roots 1286 to put out some, you know, 1287 basically put out some extra dates to be looking 1288 for more phosphorus or to stimulate that plant 1289 to suck in more phosphorus. 1290 So for us this year on our corn, 1291 it was about seven bushel is what it ran this year. 1292 Uh, we've seen it two years in a row 1293 and it seems like we get better results when we, uh, 1294 reduce our phosphorus on the front end of planting. 1295 Chad, When does it go on? 1296 Is that where your V three to V five herbicide timing? 1297 That's right. That's when we get the best response. 1298 You can go on at V 10, 1299 but for us, we throw it in there with our herbicide pass. 1300 So we heard of on the economics from cotton 1301 and the, 1302 the one one year was 140 something bushel response one was 1303 74 bushels, but 74 bushels. 1304 70 cents, it's still 50 bucks. 1305 And what's your applica, what's the cost? 1306 Probably 15, 16 bucks. 1307 Yeah, that's an ounce per acre. 15 bucks. 1308 So you three, you you three times it? Oh yeah. Or, or more. 1309 It's one of the most no-brainers I've had in a long time. 1310 I'll be honest with you on cotton. 1311 All right. Hi Shelly. Uh, you're, you're muted. 1312 Hi. Uh, we gotta, yeah, we gotta jump. So just got called. 1313 So he's gonna go. So 1314 Say by the way, don't turn, just go straight. 1315 Just go straight. Don't turn 1316 300 miles an hour is straight. 1317 Yeah, It's, it's eighth of a 1318 mile as fast as you can go. 1319 But don't turn. It'd be very bad if you turn. Exactly. 1320 All right. Um, so that's a good response. 1321 Do you have anything, uh, uh, do you wanna wrap up on 1322 that on the Sound Ag product? Uh, Johnny are we good? 1323 Nah, I think we're good on that. Alright. 1324 FMC Johnny, you uh, did some trial hard buddy, uh, uh, 1325 Gail over there at um, FMC. What'd you do? 1326 Yeah, so on our FMC trial, if I remember right, 1327 they had us do it two different ways. 1328 We did xyy two by two on soybeans 1329 and then we went out at a 15.2 ounce rate, two 1330 by two on soybeans. 1331 And then we also went out on a 9.5 ounce rate on soybeans 1332 and came back with a, a tro their, uh, fo 1333 of fungicide at an R three timing. 1334 So we reduced it down a little bit on the front end on the 1335 two by two side at nine and a half ounce rate versus a 15.2. 1336 And we came back with a late season 1337 fungicide at a seven ounce rate of PE 1338 and we basically took the other one, the one 1339 that we put out at two by two at planning the 15.2. 1340 We did not put any more fungicide on 1341 that the whole entire year. 1342 So we basically took a program where we put put it out two 1343 by two on the front end and then came back late 1344 season, put out a little bit more. 1345 And so sort of 1346 Xyy is a fungicide product 1347 and then the, the other product is 1348 this is the first year for using it? 1349 Correct. We've been using xw for about three years. 1350 The new product is which one? 1351 Uh, a dash A dash and that's that, that's new. 1352 This is the first time you've used it, correct? It's 1353 The first time I've used it. That's right. 1354 I think it came out last year. 1355 Limited supply out, pretty available this year. 1356 But on soybeans you could see the soybeans, 1357 the soybeans were glowing, they had great disease, um, 1358 package going on 1359 but did not get a yield response, which kind 1360 of tells me both products were working the full rate on the 1361 front end with no late season fungicide made the same 1362 as a little bit a third rate, 1363 a third less rate on the front end 1364 with a late season fungicide made the same. 1365 So I thought that was a pretty good response proving 1366 that if you wanted to front load all your fungicide 1367 with a product like this, you can, 1368 you just gotta go two by two. 1369 You can't do, you cannot do it infer. So 1370 Matt's nodding his head. Uh, 1371 is there a concern about front loading all 1372 your fungicide up front? 1373 Because if the year term's bad, 1374 then you've got too much money spent 1375 or you think it's, it is not uh, enough to worry 1376 About? No, it's great 1377 on tub by two, 1378 but we don't have the tub by two on our beam planters. 1379 We don't do tub by two on beam planters. 1380 So if we're either doing infra 1381 or nothing, so we have figured out over the last two 1382 or three years we've had FMC that we've been working with, 1383 that that product goes out two by two 1384 and it will increase your yield. 1385 Now we didn't do, we didn't do any of the xy, 1386 we just did the, a gastro 1387 and the elevates that R three on soybeans 1388 and we got a plus five bushels. 1389 So the gastro is competing against our normal GSP 1390 fungicide and then the Ellevest is a, a stink bug. 1391 You know, insecticide 1392 that's different than what we're normally using. 1393 We got five bushels on that plot. 1394 So we've really gotta look at that next year about being, 1395 you know, something We we're gonna do 1396 that on larger acres next year 1397 'cause five bushels is 50 bucks 1398 and we're using the other products we're using cost as much 1399 as those products use 1400 and we got a five bushel increase, you know, with the, with 1401 with those two products. 1402 So it's something that really was an eye-opener for us. 1403 And we also got a a a, not only a five bushel increase, 1404 but kinda like, you know, kind of rebuttal 1405 what Chad was saying, we got a five bushel increase on 1406 lower yielding beans. 1407 We're talking about 60 65 bushel beans. 1408 I mean that that's 10%. Yeah, that's big. 1409 And, and, and so on the corn, our corn, you know, 1410 we had a terrible year this year planting corn, 1411 so we had some replant and so we replanted back in. 1412 We chose to replant back in soybeans instead of corn. 1413 So our corn plot kind of got screwed on this deal, 1414 but where lane's talking about was 1415 where we didn't replant corn re re replant it in beans 1416 and we got the five bushel inquiries. 1417 So it was a pretty big deal. 1418 Yeah. And I saw, yeah, 1419 on corner on me Damon, we did the same thing. 1420 We did two by two with a XY at a full 15.2 ounce use rate 1421 and then, uh, we came back in 1422 and did a third less use rate on the XY way 1423 with a late season A on it also. 1424 Mm-Hmm. I had a five bushel response, 1425 so actually I did make five more bushels 1426 by applying a late season fungicide 1427 with the fungicide on the front end. 1428 So it's kind of what you would expect 1429 to see anytime you apply a late season fungicide, especially 1430 where we are with Southern rust 1431 and different things we have going on in the corn, 1432 but, um, pretty impressive stuff there. 1433 You just gotta have the two by two to really make it work. 1434 Got it. Um, we've got, uh, 1435 you already talked about the Agritech UltraCharge 1436 product, Matt and Lane. 1437 Do you want to, do you wanna do anything, uh, else on that? 1438 I mean, we talked about the point is you've, you've always, 1439 you, you've moved nutri charge into Grower standard practice 1440 because it helps you extract phosphorus 1441 that you never were getting 1442 into your plants before. Am I right? 1443 Yeah, we moved that in our practice four years ago. 1444 Oh yeah. Probably when we first started using it 1445 and you know, 1446 all the yields they were talking about 1447 eight bushel, five bushel. 1448 We're getting that every year. 1449 And you know, it, it don't ma I mean when we put it again up 1450 against something else, it is, it's, it's superior product. 1451 If you need phosphorus, agritech, you know, 1452 nutri charge is the way you need to go. 1453 Now with the release we didn't get, as you know, 1454 we don't get any higher results. 1455 Chad got some, but we use so much poultry litter, you know, 1456 release has biology in it. 1457 We've got that with the poultry litter. 1458 So we really don't get a increase by using a release. 1459 But uh, 1460 the regular nutri charges our gross standard practice on 1461 cotton and corn both. 1462 Got it. Uh, organics, uh, we know 1463 that Chad talked about his organic stuff. 1464 This is the second year of doing some work with them. 1465 I don't know if this is your second year or your first year. 1466 What'd you do with organics and what'd you discover? 1467 It's my second year with Wholeganics 1468 and we got a 38 pound cotton increase, uh, 1469 with Hogans. 1470 So what's the pro, what's the pros? 1471 Something We're gonna definitely look 1472 By the way, I'm, I've got their, 1473 I've got their pen right here if 1474 you're watching Barrett and, and the gang. 1475 I got your Hogans pin. 1476 Uh, so anyway, what, how'd you use it? 1477 We used it, um, half a gallon. 1478 Yeah, it was a half a gallon rate that we do it. 1479 We did it broadcast not infer like Ted did B 1480 Okay. Because they 1481 haven't found a, they haven't found a reason 1482 to do it, infer versus broadcast, 1483 but last year we got a little bit more increase in that. 1484 So it's something we're going definitely look at again. 1485 Good. All right. So with organics, 1486 is there anything you learned that made you better at 1487 it this year than the first year? 1488 Uh, we pretty much did it the same way. 1489 Got it all. Is there anything else? 1490 One thing that we did that was kind 1491 of cool at your field day, we did the challenge plot. 1492 Our friend, uh, Galen 1493 and Agro liquid put uh, a recommendation together. 1494 Stephanie Linco put together a recommendation. 1495 You put together a recommendation 1496 and Kelly Garrett put together a recommendation. 1497 You treated those plots 1498 with four different recommendations on fertility. 1499 And the idea was yield, but money. 1500 That was the neat part. You know, 1501 every field deal you ever go to, all they talk about is 1502 how big a yield they got. 1503 Yours then said, what was the actual net profitability? 1504 Go ahead lane. I 1505 I we're not gonna talk about that. 1506 What the agro liquids? Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing. 1507 So everybody come to my farm and did a plot, right? 1508 So Galen was 2 43 0.6, he won, 1509 Stephanie was 2 41 0.8, she come in second. 1510 So both agri liquid plots were better than ours. 1511 Kelly come in at 2 41 0.4 1512 and guess who come in last Miles Farms? 1513 No, absolutely 1514 Not. Lean. 1515 Whatcha you gonna call it? Me? Yes. All right. 1516 Another, and we come in at two 40.5. 1517 So you weren't, none of you were that far off, 1518 but you, the spend ba basically you all were within a few 1519 bushels of one another. 1520 But the difference is, if I remember correctly, 1521 there was like $60 difference on the spending 1522 from one program to another. And that means 1523 A, there was, there was $90 spending greater 1524 for me than it was Galen. So, 1525 And he, he got more yield with $90 less input cost. 1526 Yep. And so they all, all him and Stephanie and, 1527 and even Kelly coming from Iowa 1528 to teach me how to grow corn. 1529 I think they all taught me something. 1530 Yeah, everybody used less nitrogen. 1531 Stephanie was pretty close to us. 1532 Galen was less and, 1533 and Kelly was very much less, you know, we were like two 20 1534 and Kelly was one 50. 1535 So I mean, we we're still working on those numbers, 1536 but we got our butt kicked in our own ground, 1537 in our own backyard and it was fun. Bennett. 1538 Well, I was there and I thought it was neat 1539 because again, you, you know, 1540 I've been gonna field days since I was a little kid 1541 and they liked to carry on about how many bushels, 1542 how many bushels, but you know, what, how much money 1543 and what I, I can tell you one thing that um, net profit, 1544 uh, net profit means a whole hell of a lot more than, 1545 uh, you know, 1546 Ben Busters, Ben Busters 1547 that Ben Busters had also Buster your bank account. 1548 Uh, you got anything on that Johnny? 1549 They didn't invite you because they probably thought if 1550 we've met Rell in here, he's gonna make us all look bad. 1551 Yeah, no, it was eyeopening though 1552 because we talked about it at the beginning. 1553 Just 'cause you make the highest yield doesn't mean you have 1554 the best ROI and in this situation 1555 didn't make the highest yield 1556 and your ROI was a lot less 1557 'cause you're spending. So thanks, 1558 Thanks Ronnie. Appreciate 1559 you. Yeah, 1560 Anytime You're my best friend. 1561 $90 is $90 an acre, so whatever you wanna do, 1562 You know what I yeah. Design 1563 that by four. I'm just gonna throw it out there. 1564 You know, you didn't start growing corn until 2009. 1565 Maybe you shouldn't have. 1566 Um, there's a thing called the eye states, like up here. 1567 I'm from, we know how to grow corn. 1568 Hell, maybe I should be, I I don't even farm, 1569 but maybe I should be the guy that does one of the, uh, the, 1570 uh, recommendations next year 1571 and I probably blow everybody outta the water. 1572 Well, we're doing that at Kelly's next year. 1573 So Kelly says he's quitting growing beans 1574 because they're not profitable. 1575 So me and Temple and Chad are gonna grow a plot against 1576 Kelly at his place 1577 and I hopefully I'll beat them there. 1578 Yeah, I like the Idea I'm better at beans than am corn. 1579 Hey, we can grow rice and cotton. 1580 I guarantee we beat 'em up there. 1581 I like the idea of you doing the 1582 profitability on soybeans. 1583 And then I like the idea of you winning. 1584 Actually, I, I like the idea of Kelly losing 1585 to you mostly is what I really like. 1586 I think we all like that. 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