00:00:00 Eliminating sprayer passes, changing up the in furrow product mix to conserve money. These are just two of the changes Johnny Verell's making in 00:00:08 2025, and he's gonna help you make similar changes. That's what we're talking about in this episode of Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. 00:00:13 Welcome to Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast where real farmers share real insights and real results to help you improve your farming operation. 00:00:23 And now here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ice. 00:00:29 Cutting the Curve. We got Johnny ll on one of my all time favorite Tennessee farmers. Okay, I'll admit it. I don't know 00:00:34 that many Tennessee farmers, but he's one of the favorites. Anyway, he's gonna talk 00:00:37 to you about the change he's making 2025. This is a series I'm doing with all of the guys because everyone is doing something different 00:00:43 and it's something different that you might want to attempt on your farming operation this year. Uh, Johnny's going to eliminate some sprayer passes. 00:00:51 He's talking about the cost per acre to go over the acre, um, getting more efficient with movement of machinery. 00:00:57 You know, uh, maybe you don't think much about this, but you've got a lot of man hours. You've got diesel, you've got machinery time 00:01:03 that's being tied up when you're out there, uh, being less efficient with your, uh, with your passes in your field 00:01:08 and with technology that you have at your disposal. Now, you probably could, uh, tighten that up a little bit. Also, he is gonna change up some of the products 00:01:14 that he's using in furrow because some of 'em are just not quite delivering the ROI and some of 'em were given an outsized ROI. 00:01:21 So that's what we're gonna talk about. All right. Talk to me changes in 2025. You'd forgotten when I told you we were recording this. 00:01:27 You said, what do we talk about again? And I said, you would know this, you know this like to, like, you already told me these things. 00:01:32 So anyway, talk to me about the past thing, because this is something that probably most people don't think about. 00:01:39 Yeah. You know, a lot of people talk about, well, what input can I cut to start saving money? And, you know, we all think about that. 00:01:45 I think every farmer's focusing on input, interest rates, all those things. Right now on our operation, we've sat down trying 00:01:51 to figure out what can we do? Maybe we could piggyback a couple of products, piggyback a couple of applications, 00:01:56 make it into one, eliminate a pass. 'cause for us, you know, depending on what you're paying per hour for your fuel, your labor, 00:02:03 your equipment costs, all that stuff, you, you know, you could have a six to $8 cost to run a sprayer across an acre 00:02:09 where we are here in Tennessee. So, you know, we're sitting there thinking if we can eliminate one pass on, you know, 00:02:15 say 5,000 acres at eight bucks, that's a big return on us, is what we just did. So we're trying to figure out what we can do, 00:02:22 where we can start putting money here and there to start, you know, start saving up. And sometimes we do that to reallocate the funds 00:02:28 to another product that we're gonna get a good RRI on too. So just because we're trying to so-called cut costs 00:02:33 where we can, well, a lot of times we'll take that money that we cut and move it to another place 00:02:37 and just keep us in a budget that we set at the beginning of the year, Eight bucks an acre for a sprayer pass. 00:02:43 Uh, and that's not counting any of the product, but that wouldn't say the time the diesel, the employee if you have 00:02:48 an employee or if it's you, whatever. Um, and you know, most of our people are probably saying, yeah, but you know what? 00:02:55 You guys are always pretty gung-ho about going across. If it's one more pass and it gets you 17 more bushels or whatever. 00:03:02 But there's probably times that that's not the case. How do you make that decision? Yeah. So trials, right? 00:03:07 The last five years we've done trials every year, several hundred acres of trials trying to see what products are working, what timing's working. 00:03:16 And a lot of times you can look and see what companies are already saying and take their advice on it, 00:03:21 but also try some one off deals. And sometimes you'll be pretty amazed at what you'll get. You know, and we've done everything from 00:03:27 different infer programs. You know, we talked a little bit about that before. You know, what we've done there. 00:03:31 We have really simplified our infer program. 'cause there was a time I got gun coal and infer and I was doing 60 plus dollars an acre on 00:03:40 an infer application. I've got that cut way down now over cut in half or more. And so what we've done is, is some 00:03:47 of those products we're still putting out, but they're going out in season with a herbicide or with a fungicide pass. 00:03:52 Because what we're learning is, let's say boron, I'm putting it in fur. I thought that was a good time to do it 00:03:57 because it's easy to put out. It'd be right there in the root zone. We're not getting the response that we wanted as we do 00:04:02 as a folder application. So we've eliminated that one there and just reallocated. So I know kind of jumping 00:04:07 around a little bit. You, you're jumping Around. That's all right. You, you're excited. Yeah. 00:04:12 You, uh, you had your extra cup of coffee this morning. Okay, let's talk about that one just since you already brought it up. 00:04:17 All right. You're still using the boron, but you were putting it out in furrow 'cause it was an easy time to apply it. 00:04:22 But what you discovered is it didn't, it, it didn't stick around. So the boron wasn't there when you actually needed it. Yeah, 00:04:28 When we were pulling tissue sample SAP test, the boron wasn't showing up like we wanted. We figured out when we could put it out in season, 00:04:35 what adjuvant we could add in season for foliar and get it into the plant and get that ROI that we're needing outta that product. 00:04:41 And a lot of times we learn too what we, if we put out a higher rate one time, sometimes we get a bounce and get it in the plant 00:04:48 and it stays there better than if we put out low rates several times too. So sometimes you put out a product 00:04:53 and you don't even get the response you need because it wasn't enough to get in the plant to begin with. So long story short, we really fine tune 00:05:00 what products we're gonna be putting in for and what products we're gonna be putting in season and cutting some of the application cost out along the way. 00:05:08 But main thing is, is kind of reallocating the funds. I'm not saying we're, we're trimming money, we are trimming money, but a lot of times we're taking 00:05:15 that money that we trim to put it in another product that we think we're gonna get a great RRI to. Yeah. And also obviously putting it when it's needs to be, 00:05:22 which is something we talk a lot about. Speaking of talking about putting a product out when it needs to be, you should consider using nature's products. 00:05:28 Nature's a business partner here of uh, extreme Ag and Nature's is all about, uh, applying stuff exactly when you need 00:05:35 to put it there using their high quality liquid fertilizers. Powered by Nature's Bio. Okay. 00:05:39 You can target specific periods of influence, meaning you can put your fertility out four or five, three diff you know, three 00:05:43 to five different times throughout the season to put it out there when your plants actually require it. 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You know, another thing we're doing on our sprayers, we've been doing spray tests to see 00:06:37 what coverage we're getting at different rates of water, different pressures, different tips. 00:06:41 And what we've learned is, is we run the right tips with the right surfactants and the right pressure, we can actually lower our water 00:06:48 or gallon spray acre of water of the carrier. When you do that, you're getting over more acres of filling. You might go from 120 acre load to 150 acre load, 00:06:56 you're stopping less, you're getting over more acres a day. So there's stuff like that that we're doing too. 00:07:01 And then you were kind of alluding to it, the technology that's there in the sprayers, in the combines 00:07:06 and stuff like that, especially companies like Deere have out with C and Spray. 00:07:10 And then in the combines where they have the camera systems that help you help with harvest speed. 00:07:14 Also, you know, you sit there and start running a product like Sea and Spray, like we're gonna run this year. 00:07:19 We might not run it every time. We might only run it one pass through the soybeans, but you start reducing your applications 30, 40, 50%. 00:07:27 Look at the acres you can get over without stopping. So you're going a lot longer without filling up that way too. 00:07:31 So there's a lot of moving parts, there's a lot of technology out there. AI's here. I don't think it's going anywhere. 00:07:37 I don't think anybody think it is, but it's gonna allow us to be more efficient, get over more acres, you know, 00:07:42 with less man hours basically, is what it's gonna allow us to do. So one of the things you said, you're, you're, 00:07:47 you're not cutting the rate, you, you are cutting the rate, you're cutting the gowns. So, um, means you gotta be more precise. 00:07:54 Yeah. You gotta make sure you're getting the right droplet size that you need. Every application's different. 00:07:58 Some of 'em you need a finer droplet, some of 'em need a course droplet depending on the product you're putting out. 00:08:02 But we really spent some time in the last few years trying to figure out what tips are working, what application rate 00:08:08 that works on our farm with the surfactants that we're using. 'cause I I can tell you all that makes a big difference. 00:08:13 And so that allows us to maybe go from 120 acre load to 150 acre load and you fill up, you know, one or two less times in a day. That's a big deal for us. 00:08:22 Is there a chance you get that wrong? I mean, not at this point, but the person that's wanting to try it. 00:08:27 Because I said there's people that are gonna listen and say, Hey, that's a hell of an idea. Yeah. You know, maybe they don't farm quite as many acres 00:08:32 as you, but they still same deal. You go back, you know, they gotta go and load the sprayer. You gotta get it out there. So if you can go more acres per 00:08:40 load, that means, you know, less time. There's a lot of benefits to this, but if you get it wrong, the person's gonna say, yeah, 00:08:49 I I I missed the mark on this. Um, so everything I thought of saving, so this one's the one that you've gotta really get right. 00:08:57 And that's a, the precision part of it, like making sure that you're still getting the correct rate 00:09:02 to do the effective job. Yeah. And I, and that's the reason it's kind of hard to do a one size fits all 00:09:07 'cause my water is different than your water where you are and all that affects how chemicals work, 00:09:12 how surfactants are working and everything. So I I'm telling everybody it's something they need to trial. 00:09:16 There's companies out there that can help you with this. They got camera systems out there 00:09:20 that can help you figure out what, what product's working the best for you. So there's a lot of moving parts out there, 00:09:25 but it's, it's here. The AI's here and that's what's really gonna take us to the next level of efficiency, I believe. 00:09:30 Yeah, I think that's true. So yeah, you're talking about the effective cover. So first off, you, you need a maybe a camera system 00:09:36 so you know that you're getting the product onto the plant. And then the other one is like you said, droplets 00:09:43 because it's different from fungicide to herbicide to whatever, whatever. Right, right. That's right. And I mean, that just goes back 00:09:49 to making sure you're getting the right product on the leaves that you need and you're not wasting money. You hear people talking about all the winds blowing this 00:09:56 that, I mean, there's a lot of things that can affect it, but there's so many things that we can help ourselves 00:10:00 to make sure we're getting the right product down at the right rate. Got it. All right. So the other part about, uh, passes, 00:10:09 I don't know if you've thought about this, but you, you did say if I can eliminate a pass with the, uh, with the aerial, um, you're, 00:10:18 you're not against using aerial application. Uh, but it's expensive and it's Expensive. That's right. And 00:10:25 there's a lot of times like we can go out there at VT on corn with sprayers, just regular sprayers with no lifts. 00:10:31 We can spray that corn, we can go ahead and put a fungicide out. We can put our micro packs out, 00:10:35 we can put some biology out there if that's what we want to do. And that carry us pretty late into the season. 00:10:40 We can watch for disease. If we have to go again, we might have to run a sprayer with a lift on it like the Simon 00:10:45 innovation lift like we have. Yeah. Or I call in the airplanes and they set down, make the application then. 00:10:50 But what we've learned is a lot of times we're gonna do a V 10 application with some micronutrients 00:10:55 and different things that we're gonna put on the corn. We could put a good fungicide in there, protect that ear leaf that's already out at that point, 00:11:02 and we can sit there and go all through the rest of the year. Might not have to have it depending on southern rust, 00:11:07 depending on if the hurricanes are blowing stuff in. There's a lot of things that in Tennessee that we're not having to worry about. 00:11:13 Like you are in the north with tar spot and different things like that too. So southern rust is our enemy in the south. 00:11:18 It doesn't come every year. You talk about eliminating the, uh, the aerial pass. How, what percentage of your acres did you have 00:11:27 to use an airplane on in 2024? Uh, probably about 30%. Once. Yeah. Once. Yeah. One pass. One pass. So It wasn't a lot of acres. We were able to 00:11:38 get over a lot of acres with our sprayers. Yep. And that, that helped us. That and it's, and it's nothing against the airplane. 00:11:43 They all get busy at the same time too. Everybody's cars need to be sprayed at tassel shot and all this, so everybody's needing 'em right then. 00:11:50 I think this is just a good fit for us to, uh, to work through some things and, and try to just figure out how to be a little more efficient. 00:11:58 Got it. So, um, back to the in furrow stuff, what then, uh, we're gonna space out things like boron, we're gonna eliminate some stuff. 00:12:06 Um, what'd you eliminate, what'd you decide when you used to go crazy and you put $60 in your, in furrow 00:12:12 because it was like all the new rage and then you said, I'm not sure I'm getting my bang out of this. 00:12:15 What what did you take out? Well, a lot of the products I took out was, was a phosphorus product that I was putting in fur. 00:12:22 I I took it out and put it back two by two and started abandoning it at a different rate with a different product. 00:12:27 So I took a phosphorus product out, picked another one that couldn't go in further that was at a better concentration, did two by two with it. 00:12:35 Um, you know, we talked about certain things. There's, there's different hopper pals or buckets that you use, but you 00:12:40 Don't, wait a minute, you don't even, you eliminated two by two altogether? No, I, I'm back to two by two. 00:12:45 I'm not using knives anymore or not using any type of blades. I'm going to a dribble method 00:12:50 of putting it on each side of the road. I still believe it has a fit for me the way we're doing this. 00:12:54 It didn't work two by two did not work the way it should have worked. It was wearing out too fast, too hard to pull. 00:13:00 And we had a lot of issues where we, where we're located with it. So we still believe in two by two. 00:13:04 We're more about banding on top of the soil is what we're doing. We're trying to put the nutrients right on each side 00:13:09 of the plant as it comes up. We're not going down an inch and a half, two inches deep. No more. 00:13:15 So, by the way, if you're listening to this or watching this, um, I wanna remind you that there's an entire library of videos. 00:13:22 Uh, and you can also just listen to 'em as audios. Hundreds of episodes of this show cutting the curve that I've recorded with the guys. 00:13:29 Also the videos that these guys shoot in the field or on their sh in their shop or wherever. Uh, to help you go to extreme ag.farm, Johnny ll 00:13:36 and I covered the topic about why he was removing two by two. I think we did that a year and a half or two years ago. 00:13:42 And it was because of his soils, because of breakdowns and it was holding him up and there's a lot of things that didn't work for him. 00:13:48 He's a lot of no-till. So he's had to cut through a lot of debris. So those are the reasons you can 00:13:51 go and listen to that episode. Just go into the extreme mag.farm and type in there, uh, on the search engine. 00:13:56 You'll find it. Uh, it's great stuff. Anyway, so you're still doing two by two, but now you dribble it next to 00:14:03 where this furrow is out over the top. That's right. That's right. And we've still got a couple of products we're putting out there. 00:14:08 So we, that's what I'm telling you. Through our trials on our farm, we have figured out what products are giving us the ROI 00:14:15 when they need to go out. And hopefully on a year like this year when things are coming off, a year of things being very tight here, 00:14:21 especially here in West Tennessee and in the south where our yields were off a little bit and the price was definitely off. 00:14:25 This allow us to be a little bit more efficient and hopefully get a little better ROI to help put more money in the bank at the end of the year. 00:14:32 But you know, you, you mentioned some things that we could take out. There's several things that we took, taken out. 00:14:36 I could, I could list them, but you know, we still run ic, we still run zinc infer the nature Zinc is one 00:14:42 of the best ones that I've been running infer. And the reason why I do that, I still put a seed applied zinc and an infer zinc 00:14:48 because I, that's where I get a good ROI, we have a hard time getting zinc and our plants at a high enough rate to carry us to 00:14:54 that yield level we're looking for. So if a person, you can't eliminate everything. If a person that's listening, no, you can't. 00:14:59 Uh, you know that you can't, you can't save your way into prosperity necessarily. Uh, that's the tough part. You, you know, there's stuff 00:15:05 that's stupid that you're probably spending money on and then once you get past the stupid, then the idea that you're gonna save your way into prosperity becomes a 00:15:11 tough proposition, doesn't it? That's right. You know what I like about Johnny Verl besides everything is when I tell him 00:15:17 something, he says, yeah, that's right. Yeah, well he's like my yes, I've learned it's not worth the 00:15:22 argument with you, don't you? I don't know about that. What if I said something outlandish? 00:15:25 Would you tell me it was right? You probably would. I'd Probably tell you. You'd probably tell me I was wrong. 00:15:30 Zinc, if somebody's listening to this and says Hey, that's one thing I'm considering making a change for in 2025. 00:15:35 I've been listening to the extreme ag guys and I, I think maybe I'm zinc deficient. First off is that you just, 00:15:41 how the hell do you know if you're zinc deficient? I mean that seems like a pretty obscure thing to look for in sap or or tissue, 00:15:46 but it probably is being looked for, right? Yeah. And, and one reason I'm deficient, I'm not putting it out in any broadcast pattern 00:15:52 with spreader trucks pre-plant. So it's not going out in any fertilizer. The only way I'm getting zinc is infer seed applied 00:15:58 and foliar in season if I still see I need it. So a lot of people can run some type of, uh, micronutrient that's gonna be broadcast 00:16:07 with a spreader truck, with airflow truck at planting and get their zinc out that way. We choose not to do that where we are. 00:16:12 'cause we're variable rating ceremony. Many products. I don't have it as a standard carrier. So for us the best way to get it as a, you know, 00:16:18 to know exact amount going out is, is definitely to do it infer and foliar in season for us. Since you highlighted, I wrote down in my, 00:16:28 my notes here when we were doing our show prep, uh, zinc. Do you think most farmers have zinc deficiency 00:16:34 and it kind of flies under the radar? I think it's one of the main ones. I mean for sure a lot of times it's just 00:16:40 'cause it doesn't show itself like you think it, like sometimes phosphorous would or some of the other, you know, 00:16:45 nutrients when they start showing deficiencies you can really spot 'em across the field. But like I said, for us every time we tissue sample, 00:16:51 that's one of the main ones. Moron's the main one for us too. It seems to be hard for us to get the rates 00:16:56 of moron we need in those plants. Multiple applications is definitely the way for us to get there. 00:17:00 We did a recording with Kelly and he, we talked about it is easy to say, uh, macro and micronutrients, 00:17:07 but the reality is he says, I think there's four categories. There's nitrogen, which is its own, then there's p 00:17:13 and k, which are, you call them macros. And then there's the mini, there's the major micros and the mini micros. 00:17:19 Where's zinc? I would say it's a, it's a major micro for me. So it's a major micro. That's what I'd probably say also, 00:17:28 uh, other changes you're making in 2025 and again, you didn't, your cost savings is on sprayer efficiency. 00:17:37 Yeah. And, and passes and hopefully eliminating even more of the percentage of acres that need a flyover. 00:17:44 Um, in furrow you mostly just moved money. That's right. And then uh, all of this is designed to maintain 00:17:52 or increase yield and then you talk about getting better about your zinc. So those are the big three changes. 00:17:58 Um, the actual cost savings is probably, what do we peel off there? We moved money on, in forrow, we moved money on nutrients. 00:18:05 Realistically just on the applications, if I can eliminate one sprayer pass and maybe an airplane pass that could be 20 bucks an acre. 00:18:12 Yeah. You know, pretty easy. So it, it is a pretty good, you know, pretty good return if you can cut those out. 00:18:17 That adds up across every acre for sure. Especially when we're dealing with four 50 corn. I mean you're talking, you know, what four to five bushel, 00:18:25 you know, that you're able to save right there so it, it adds up pretty quick. 20 bucks per acre might be your margin in 2025. 00:18:32 You never know. You know, that's the other thing where we are, we can make really good crops as long as we have moisture. 00:18:37 You came down last year in August, it was extremely hot at our field, I think 112 degree heat index that day. 00:18:44 It was terrible and it had been several weeks since we had a rain. It had actually went almost a month 00:18:50 after that field day before it rained again. And that's where it really hurts us. And that's another thing that's the one thing, 00:18:55 you know we've talked about too in a meeting this week was, you know, let's put out the products we need at planting 00:19:00 that we know we gotta have to get these high yields and then let's spoon feed throughout the year where sometimes we used to front load some things 00:19:07 or put 'em all out 'cause we thought we had a great crop. Let's make sure we have that great crop in case it turns off 00:19:13 hot and dry and we don't get the rain we need during pollination and stuff like that. We haven't spent a tremendous amount of money. 00:19:18 You know, we do that sometimes with nitrogen on our farm too. We'll save some nitrogen and do an aerial application 00:19:24 or a late season application in some other form if we've had the moisture in place to put that top end yield out there if we don't get it. 00:19:31 Like in 2012, 2007 and in 22 we had a drought too. It didn't matter how much nitrogen you had when it didn't rain the whole month of July 00:19:41 and August, it's gonna be hard to make a corn crop. Mr. Verell's inviting you to his field day. Actually I'm inviting you. He's the one 00:19:48 that just mentioned his field day this year. It is on, I'm looking at my calendar right now, August 5th and that's a Tuesday, first Tuesday August 5th and August. 00:19:57 What time are we gonna start? We'll start at eight o'clock And we're gonna go until about 00:20:03 Usually lunch time. Yeah, usually lunch. We'll have a big lunch and everybody can leave after lunch. So 00:20:08 You can leave just before you have a heat stroke and get home and maybe, uh, hop in a pool. The one thing you'll notice when it's a hundred degrees, 00:20:14 Johnny Rell and his other farm guys all run around in long pants. Guys like me and Matt Miles say, wait a minute, 00:20:20 are we bailing hay today? I don't need to be wearing long pants. So we wear shorts and try 00:20:25 and uh, you know, preserve ourselves in this, in these extreme heat and humid conditions. But anyway, not Johnny and his people. So yeah, 00:20:34 So just for true luck with letting Damien come to my field day last year it was 115 degrees outside and the very next morning it was 82 for the high. 00:20:44 So Missed it by one day or maybe Damien was my my bad luck. We'll See there's no question. I'm 00:20:48 a bad luck Schlop rock. So anyway, I plan on coming it, we've got a bunch of field days coming in the new year. 00:20:54 In fact, you should probably put 'em on your calendar. I'll tell you the first one is May 22nd. That's gonna be at Chad Henderson's in Madison, Alabama. 00:21:02 So if you want to put that on your calendar, May 22nd, June 12th, we're gonna be at Miles Farms in McGee, Arkansas. June 26th. We're going to be at, uh, Garrett Land 00:21:12 and Cattle in area in Iowa. August 5th we're gonna be at Jack, uh, in Jackson, Tennessee at Johnny Verell's place. 00:21:17 The other ones were scheduled for August. We'll be pushing those 'cause there might be one little 00:21:21 schedule change coming on that. But anyway, put those on your calendar. Uh, any other changes in 2025? 00:21:27 No, just really try to watch what we're doing and I'll say another thing. Been meeting with a lot of different seed 00:21:32 companies, chemical companies here lately. And there's a lot of programs out there that we could still take advantage of. 00:21:36 Either zero interest or very low interest. And that's something to look at when you're sometimes operating off a line of credit at seven 8% right now. 00:21:44 So I tell people to make sure that they're off, you know, maximizing any type of, uh, reduction in interest out there 00:21:50 that will allow that to happen in the South. That's a big deal. Maybe not so much in the north, but in the south there's a lot of people 00:21:55 that carry everything to December and that's when everybody gets paid or everything gets paid. That can add up a lot if their interest is not set right. 00:22:03 Just really think people ought to really watch their financial side of it also this year. There's a lot of savings that can happen out there. 00:22:09 Yeah, I appreciate you saying that because obviously we know things are really skinny out here in production agriculture, uh, coming off of 2024. 00:22:16 Yeah. You know, there's gonna be some government money tossed at this. Um, you know, there's, 00:22:20 there's gonna be ways you can do cost savings, et cetera. But one of the things these companies obviously, uh, 00:22:27 are are realizing the marketplace. So, um, yeah, some, some programs you don't have to have. The point is, we're recording this end of January. 00:22:34 You don't have to have done it by the new year like some of the programs used to be. 00:22:38 That's right. That's right. And every part of the country is different. And what did he say when I said I like him? 00:22:45 'cause he always tells me That's right. And he says, it's not worth the energy to argue with you. We don't even argue. We, we, IIII would hope that, 00:22:51 I would hope that we never have to argue. All right. Hey, um, David, Johnny, we're all, we're talking about changes in 2025. 00:22:57 It's a topic I'm covering with all the guys. 'cause you might be considering and contemplating some big changes on your farming operation 00:23:03 2025 and you probably should, you know what? Things are a little bit skinnier. Uh, as we always know, uh, survival, uh, is about those 00:23:10 that are the most adaptable. So, uh, make the adaptations and do the, and then we can help you do that here at Extreme Ag 00:23:16 with information from guys like Johnny Rell. Uh, we told you about the field days. We're also gonna be at Commodity Classic. 00:23:21 Look us up if you happen to go to Commodity Classic. It's an amazing event. Lots of stuff going on. We are on the run the whole time. 00:23:27 We're gonna be at all kinds of different booths. We're gonna be doing panels, we're gonna be doing a pancake breakfast. 00:23:31 In fact, we invite you to come to that pancake breakfast hosted by people like me and Johnny Rell. 00:23:36 And we're gonna even have a special Match game, special match game game show. That's right. Just like the old 1970s match game with, uh, 00:23:43 gene Rayburn as host. Johnny will be in the panel. I'll be the host. Anyway, come to that. And if you also enjoy 00:23:49 what we do here at Extreme Ag, uh, check out our new show, the Grain Ring. It's filmed at my on-farm, uh, hangout with, uh, 00:23:55 the guys from Extreme Ag talking about issues, straight talk, fun talk. Uh, it's, uh, a little bit behind the scenes, uh, 00:24:01 just hanging out with, uh, the guys from Extreme Ag. Go check that out. You can find it on YouTube or at our, at our uh, extreme ag.farm channel. 00:24:09 You excited about 2025? Absolutely. Making changes. Moving the needle. Yeah. Not, not scared. You're not worried. 00:24:18 Well, you always gotta be worried a little bit. If not, you're gonna let your guard down. So I think we just gotta be smart this year. 00:24:24 I think there's a lot of ways we can make it through this year be, you know, be very profitable. Things have gotta line up to do that. 00:24:30 The biggest thing for where we are with the low amount of irrigation we have is we've gotta have rain. So that's one thing we can't control. 00:24:37 So as long as we can get that, I think we can make a good crop with the practices we got in place. 00:24:42 I agree. He's Johnny Rell. Till next time, thanks for joining us here at Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. 00:24:47 That's a wrap for this episode of Cutting the Curve. Make sure to check out Extreme ag.farm for more great content to help you squeeze more profit out 718 00:24:55.395 --> 00:24:56.555