00:00:00 Weed management considerations for late fall and wintertime for next year's planning. That's what we're covering in this episode 00:00:06 of Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. Welcome To Extreme ags Cutting the Curve podcast, where real farmers share real insights 00:00:13 and real results to help you improve your farming operation. This episode of Cutting the Curve is brought to you by cloth 00:00:20 where machines aren't just made. They're made for more with a wide range of tractors, combines, forger and hay tools. 00:00:27 Cloth is a family business just as driven, demanding, and dedicated as yours. Go to cloth.com 00:00:33 and start cutting your curve with their cutting edge equipment. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. 00:00:40 Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ag. Cutting the Curve. I've got Gail, Gail Stratman here 00:00:44 with FMC, and I've got Kelly Garrett, one of the original founders of Extreme Ag. And we're talking about weed management. 00:00:49 We did a field plot, uh, at a field day at Garrett's in June. We were there in June for one of the five field days we did 00:00:56 with extreme Ag, and it was really educational. I interviewed Gail and we talked about what we were doing, and they did some crazy stuff 00:01:01 where they did like no pre herbicide and only a post-program and different things like that. We didn't talk a lot about weed management this year, 00:01:09 'cause sometimes I think that we kind of have this idea. We've gotten so good at it in this day and age. 00:01:13 Weeds aren't the issue that they were back in the old days. Well, Gail says not so fast. 00:01:18 Kinda a Lee Corso reference right there, although you're much sharper than he. All right, let's talk about weed management. 00:01:24 What do you think right now it's fall. We're recording this in October. A lot of the crop's already getting peeled off. 00:01:30 You're still running around, you're beating the road quite a bit. You're seeing stuff and you say, I see problems. 00:01:36 I see problems are gonna be problems next year. And I want guys to understand that because yep, they're not being preemptive about 00:01:42 their weed management now. Well, like I said, you can, you can make a lot of observations from the kind and, 00:01:48 and take note of those areas of the field where maybe you had more of a weed problem than the rest of the field. 00:01:55 Uh, maybe that's, that's where we had water standing this year. The crop wasn't as competitive. 00:02:00 Uh, maybe the herbicide got leached away a little bit, some that, that sort of thing. 00:02:05 You wanna just take, take a few notes of that, where that's at, how big those areas are, but then don't drag all those weeds across the field 00:02:12 and make that that two acre problem, an 80 acre problem or a hundred acre problem, because now you're just looking at, 00:02:19 at spending a lot more money on a whole field. Whereas next year, maybe you could be, uh, paying a little more attention to that area 00:02:24 where you hide some higher weed. Alright, the other thing you can do from the, the other thing I was gonna say from the combine 00:02:30 and fall, it's really kind of kicks off in the fall, is fall applications. Um, you know, we've been really dry here last month 00:02:37 or so, so we probably haven't had a lot of winter annuals get started yet, but at some point it's gonna rain 00:02:43 and those, those fall germinating weeds get started. And that's really an opportunity to kind of get a jumpstart on next year, is understand those fields 00:02:52 that are probably gonna have some winter annual pressure that you can take care of this fall. 00:02:56 So that gives you a jumpstart into 2025. Question for you, we're so dry, and I'm not that completely unique 00:03:02 here in northeast Indiana. So, so dry winter annuals, you always think of when, yeah, it starts getting cool at night, 00:03:08 but you know, those things even after the first frost, you still aren getting them. If we don't get any moisture, 00:03:13 we're not having any winter annuals until it might be pushed into the season where herbicide doesn't work, which is getting too cold. 00:03:19 If it's too cold for herbicide to work, does that mean the winter annuals aren't gonna emerge based on the, the precipitation or lack thereof? Well, 00:03:26 It, it may, it may change the number of weeds we have this time of the year. Um, and, but you know, they just need a couple of warm days. 00:03:33 So a lot of times, um, you know, we'll have that weed seed laying there, and if we get some moisture here in the remainder 00:03:40 of October into early November and get some sun on the, on the surface of that salt, you'll start to see things like mare's tail and henbit 00:03:47 and chickweed and those things germinating down there underneath that residue, uh, where that ground's, you know, staying in the forties yet and it's not really shut down yet 00:03:58 and, and frozen up yet. And so that's really what you wanna kind of pay attention to because it's, it's relatively easy to take care 00:04:06 of those this time of the year with a, you know, with a fairly inexpensive program like, you know, say two four D and, and Panaflex, um, 00:04:15 or something like that, that, that has, um, a lot of crop rotational flexibility, but it can also just make life so much easier. 00:04:22 But just because we're dry now, if we happen to catch some moisture, pay attention to what happens in, in a couple weeks 00:04:28 after we catch that moisture. Because I got a feeling these, these weeds are still gonna be coming as warm 00:04:32 as we've been up to this point. Those soil temps are still warm enough to germinate weeds in a lot of areas. 00:04:39 By the way, the product you said with a two four D mix, your, your internet did a little hiccup right when you said that. 00:04:44 What's the product I mix with two four D for the cheap? Well, yeah, 2, 2 4 D and, and we have a product called Panaflex, which is a, a, um, 00:04:53 a good combination herbicide that, uh, you know, short residual product that we put on the fall. Very active on many of our winter annual species, 00:05:03 but allow, uh, allows you a lot of, uh, crop rotation flexibility. I remember the first time we recorded 00:05:14 with Gail, we had this problem. He froze up. Good now. Yeah. Didn't he live literally like, like in like a Hutterite community in Kansas or something? 00:05:27 He must live, I mean, Jesus. No, he's, uh, he's in northeast Nebraska. He is not that far from Sioux City, I don't think. 00:05:34 How does he have such terrible internet? This has been three years ago. It was like this. I'll tell you, the cell phone service here has been, 00:05:41 it's better today, but the past Friday, Saturday, Sunday, it was pretty sketchy. There he is back. 00:05:48 Yeah. And mine. And, and to be honest, mine, just within the last two hours here, my internet's three 00:05:54 Years ago, we recorded you the first time and it was like doing smoke signals and here it is three years later 00:05:59 and you're still out there. Uh, Well, they haven't approved it yet for any of us in the last three years. 00:06:04 I can tell you that's not part of the Infrastructure. Well, they gave $46 billion to Kamal 00:06:07 and she was in charge of it. Did she fail? Well, She didn't send it to Gail. And I can tell you that I 00:06:12 Have, I have a sign out here in my driveway that says I'm getting fiber for free, but that's as far as we've got it. The sign, you got 00:06:21 The sign, the sign isn't Helping matters. I tried to call Amber three times this morning. I finally just drove her to the house 00:06:26 because the call won't go through. Yeah, Yeah. There was, there was something a week 00:06:30 or about two weeks ago when Kelly mentioned on the same day, I had no wifi service and internet 00:06:38 or my, uh, cellular service was down to SOS on my phone. I hadn't seen that in forever. 00:06:43 Uh, we had the SOS thing on the phone for about a half a day, but, um, I'm on fiber and it's good. Okay, we're gonna pick up there again, 00:06:51 creating editing work for our friend Will. And he Needs something to do. We're going to go, don't, don't get him p****d. 00:06:57 He's gonna be here in two weeks. And I don't want him being in a bad pissy mood when he is here. 'cause he will be. How 00:07:02 Can you tell? Oh God, I've never seen him in a good mood. All right, Go. Um, 00:07:06 we're gonna pick up and we'll go to Kelly. You ready? All right. Kelly Gail's talking about this thing of don't let a two acre problem become an 80 acre problem. 00:07:16 Uh, a weed problem in this patch of field becomes the whole field. I I, I think he might be just trying to sell herbicide 00:07:22 because that not, that's not a problem anymore. In the old days, you had really bad weed outbreaks. Haven't we gotten better than that? 00:07:28 Or is, or is he actually telling me what, what, is there really a chance that a two acre problem becomes an 80 acre problem? 00:07:34 I, I did think that we were getting better and I now think it's going the other way, but I don't think, I don't think it's the herbicide. 00:07:42 I believe a lot like the foliar fertility programs we have, I believe the products work. 00:07:47 I believe there's a lot of other underlying products that kind of knock the herbicides out at the knees. And I have about three things. 00:07:55 Two of 'em are going to eat be easy. The other one you're gonna think is a little dreamy, but bear with me. 00:07:59 The first one is the quality of your water. Okay? And we always just think water's water. I'm gonna give you an example. My brother-in-Law, 00:08:07 Chad Gorham, put in a reverse osmosis system, okay? And when he went to terminate his cover crop, he uses regular old well water 00:08:16 and 48 ounces of Roundup to terminate the cover crop. Then he used 24 ounces of Roundup and a reverse osmosis system. 00:08:24 The 24 ounces with the RO water had a much better kill. You could see it to the row. So the quality of your water will depend. 00:08:31 And so then when we talk about that, we think about, we think about, well, how's our foliar fertility working? How's our, uh, how's our, uh, how's our, uh, uh, 00:08:39 in furrow program working? All those things. You, you know, you have people in the fitness community that say, 00:08:43 you should drink distilled water. You should not drink tap water anymore. And then when you see what this does here, you know what, 00:08:50 the books that Evans and I have been reading, trying to study this more, Evans is now carrying distilled water around. 00:08:55 He won't drink tap water anymore. And some of it's because of the R roll water that, uh, that we're getting from Chad. 00:09:01 Nor the second thing is the adjuvant. The adjuvant makes such a difference. And I used to think when I started farming that 00:09:08 that was just something that they, you know, maybe they don't want to sell herbicide, but they always wanna sell the add-ons. 00:09:14 You know, they're willing to upsell you. The adjuvant wasn't a big deal. Now because of extreme ag, all the adjuvants we try, 00:09:19 those are the first two things. They're easy, obvious things. Uh, my, well on my irrigated acres 00:09:25 where I have the well water, the yields are actually backing up just a little bit where I have surface water. 00:09:31 The yields keep climbing. It's the quality of the water. I've never met anybody with Goodwill Water. 00:09:36 Those are the first two things I would tell you about your chemical program and not allow it. 00:09:40 The point is you think, you think herbicide. I wanna go back at the beginning here. I was obviously wise Apple on Gail, 00:09:45 because I don't really think that he'd make anything. No, I know. It's, but I, but I was, my, my bigger point there, Gail, 00:09:50 was when you said, don't let two acre, uh, weed infestation become an 80 acre problem. We got, that was a, God, you know, I, I'm old enough 00:09:59 to remember, you know, hiring kids to walk beans. 'cause we didn't have effective herbicide programs. And then rope wicks with glyphosate through the front of a, 00:10:05 a tractor and, and weed hooks and all that kinda stuff. Then we got amazing at it. And then we got a whole bunch of weeds that are breaking 00:10:12 through herbicide resistance. Weeds I've never seen before. When you talk about MA's tale, hell, 00:10:16 we never had anything like that in the Midwest when I was a kid. So we, to, to Kelly's point is, it's not 00:10:23 that the herbicides, granted there's some resistance, but these herbicides at companies like c still are effective, 00:10:29 but we're we're taking 'em out of the knees. To his point is, is That true? But let, let's unpack 00:10:32 that a little bit back. You know, I remember walking beans too back then, the herbicides worked. 00:10:37 Wasn't that the herbicides wouldn't kill the weeds, they'd kill everything. And the crop safety was a problem. 00:10:42 So now what we, we had, we, we are still good at killing weeds just like we were then we've gotten better at crop safety. 00:10:49 Okay? So that, that's what I think we've gotten better, to be quite honest. All right, so with that in mind, we've got this issue 00:10:59 of water, you think, and we've got adjuvants, which is a problem. What's the third one? Soil imbalance. So I'm interested 00:11:06 to see what Gail thinks about this. This is something we've been reading about and it, this was TJ Curtis from Soil 00:11:12 BioHealth, my cover crop guy. We talked about this and it's soil imbalance. And he talked about a book. 00:11:18 So Evans and I bought it when Weeds Talk. And I, what a great spot to talk about this on a podcast in the book, Gail, I, I would be interested for you 00:11:27 to read the book Damien, you as well. When Weeds talk, it's a manuscript you can buy. And it says that the author of this book, his theory is 00:11:35 that Mother Nature germinates the weed because of a soil imbalance. Most of the time it's not enough soluble calcium. 00:11:43 And so, Gail, I'll tell you every year the corn germinates the weeds, the, the soybeans germinate, things like that. 00:11:49 But a weed seed can lay dormant in the soil for 30 to 50 to even 70 years. 00:11:54 What makes it germinate? And my oldest son, Vern, you know, the Iowa State agronomy grab things like that. 00:11:59 He said, well, dad, it's water and moisture and sunlight and things like that. I'm like, son, the corn 00:12:04 germinates every year because of that. What makes that soybean seed lay or not soybean seed? What makes that, but we seed 00:12:10 or water, hemp seed lay there for 50 years. Yeah. And then germinate what makes it, and the book says that when the soil gets far enough out 00:12:18 of balance, mother nature sends that frequency to germinate it to try to incorrect the balance. And here we come with chemicals to kill it, 00:12:26 and we're fighting mother nature. And if we would correct the soil, we would correct the weed control problem 00:12:32 Because Yeah. 'cause generally when you correct the soil, your crops are doing better, your crops are healthier, 00:12:39 they're more competitive. Mm-Hmm. And so the weeds have less of a chance to, to get started or get, you know, 00:12:47 take advantage of that situation. Weeds are, are, uh, they're, they're pests like anything that will take advantage of a negative situation, whether 00:12:57 that's disease, whether that's insects, whether that's weeds. And so when you've got something in your field 00:13:02 that's not quite right, that's generally where you will see the weeds take advantage of it because they have such a greater genetic variability 00:13:13 or genetic, uh, makeup in them that allows them to compensate for, um, a lot of these situations where your crop just can't compete as well. 00:13:22 And so, you know, uh, weeds are, are definitely opportunistic and, uh, and when you get a field that's out of balance, whether 00:13:30 that can be nutritionally or you know, whether you got soils that, uh, maybe you got waterlogged 00:13:37 areas, you know, those kind of things. All those kind of things that negatively impact crop production are gonna tend to, uh, tend to favor the weeds. 00:13:44 And you're gonna see that in a real quick hurry. I, I agree. I wanna go with considerations. We said weed management considerations, 00:13:52 and we're recording this fall of the year, and we're trying to make sure we stay on top of this and ahead of it. 00:13:57 So you already talk about winter annuals and now you're talking about Kelly's three things, water adjuvants 00:14:01 and soil imbalance, which has become his big thing about the balanced soil. And I think there's a lot to this. 00:14:07 In fact, I I, I really appreciate the illustration to your kid, Verne. Well, we germinate because of moisture 00:14:15 and sunlight and soil temperature. I'm like, well, why didn't they join Germinate in their first year? 00:14:20 Why did they waited around until their 50th? Because you're right. I've read that, read that thing as well, that wheat seeds can hang around 00:14:26 for a lot longer than the stuff that we're putting out of a bag, right? Um, water, first off, from a water management concern, 00:14:33 before we get into the water, the adjuvants and soil and, uh, imbalance, Gail, uh, obviously while it's still warm enough, get out there 00:14:42 and take care of your problem spots right now, between now and New Year, between now and Christmas, whenever the soil, 00:14:47 whenever the temperature is right? Right? Yep. Yeah, I mean, get out there. Look for those winter annuals. 00:14:52 Like I said, just because it's been dry doesn't mean that there may not be some areas, you know, especially if you've got irrigated fields, you probably had, 00:14:59 you've been water late in the year, that's typically probably where you're gonna see the winter annuals coming now, just make sure 00:15:05 that you don't miss them this fall. Um, and suddenly you're looking at it in December or early in March next year, and it's like, holy smokes. 00:15:14 There's a lot more out here than I, than I typically thought there was. So, you know, that's the place 00:15:18 where you can really get a jumpstart and save you some money because, um, you know, depending on 00:15:23 what the weather conditions are like next spring, those weeds get a, get a really good start on you. Now you're looking at spending a lot more money in your burn 00:15:30 down programs, um, ahead of, ahead of that 2025 crop. And that just challenges your residual herbicide program that you're putting, putting out, 00:15:38 and just puts you behind the eight ball from the start next year. So fall applications are a great way 00:15:43 to save yourself some money as well as really put yourself, uh, ahead of the game in, in, in front of that 2025 growth. 00:15:49 What does the temperature need to be for my winter, uh, annual, uh, do I need 50 degree ambient air and 40 degree soil? 00:15:56 What do I need to kill 'em? Nah, ty, I mean, typically you just need 'em so that you haven't had enough frost on 'em 00:16:02 where you've lost all that green material on the, on the top. I mean, I've done applications in early December 00:16:08 and we've had multiple frosts on 'em. You know, you've still got some green material out there, but that, that plant is pulling reserves to its root system 00:16:16 to store for the winter, take that herbicide along for the ride and it, and, uh, and really give, uh, give you yourself a chance 00:16:24 to kill those weeds with, uh, with, you know, with Mother Nature helping you along. So you can spray those things. 00:16:30 As long as you can get out there in the field and, and, and do a good job application and things aren't completely frozen up solid, 00:16:37 you can do a really good job of fall applications, right? But I would say typically in, in the, in the forties, um, 00:16:43 is probably where you, where you wanna be forties on up. All right. Kelly said that then weed management 00:16:48 considerations at this point are, uh, we will assume that he's already got that part handled, the spraying, handling trouble spots. 00:16:54 He's gonna send out, uh, the crew and take care of that water. What are you gonna, do? You gonna 00:16:59 have Evans bring enough jugs of reverse osmosis water to fill your spray tank? No, you can't do that. What are you doing? 00:17:05 Well, uh, what Chad did was put in a system that filters the water. And I believe, you know, uh, Chad isn't afraid to be 00:17:12 outside the box like we are. And I would imagine that before we go to the field here next year, there'll be a reverse osmosis system here in our building. 00:17:18 So you won't be doing it. You will be, be It really proved to be beneficial. Interesting. And, and I'll say short, short 00:17:26 of doing something like that, for those guys that maybe aren't gonna go that far is check your water. How many guys just load up water out of a, 00:17:33 out of a well of that? Never ever think to actually understand what's the pH of that water? 00:17:39 How hard is it? Yes, what kind of mineral content is that in? Because there's a lot of buffering agents 00:17:44 that you can add to that water. Um, out there, as Kelly talked about, adjuvants that can really have a dramatic impact on that. 00:17:52 And keeping products in solution keep mixed up, keep things from precipitating out if you just understand what you're actually dealing with with the water. 00:18:01 'cause as Kelly said, water is not water. Wa Water isn't just water. And maybe you don't need to go as far 00:18:05 as putting in, in an RO system. Maybe you just need to double up on the adjuvant like Gail's talking about. 00:18:10 I absolutely agree that that might be all you need to do. And, and it might not get you all the way there, 00:18:16 but doubling up on that adjuvant if your water's a problem will make a huge improvement. 00:18:21 So, I mean, there are adjuvants that are water treatment, there's adjuvants that help you stick, 00:18:26 you know, they're like a surfactant. There's adjuvants that help penetration. There's adjuvants, but you're talking about there's an 00:18:30 adjuvant that we work a couple companies that make it, that's just that it, it makes your water not as acidic. Well, when they tell, but when they tell you what they, 00:18:38 when they tell you what the dose of the adjuvant should be, that's, I mean, see what Gail thinks, 00:18:43 but that's probably at like a six eight pH. What if your water's a seven eight? What if your water's a seven, eight 00:18:49 and you're putting in the recommended amount and it doesn't get you far enough? Mm-Hmm, that's what I'm saying. 00:18:53 You maybe just need to double. It'd be a very inexpensive solution to, to just double the rate of the adjuvant, you know, 00:19:00 the average adjuvant double bucks an acre, spend four bucks an acre instead of trying to double up on the chemical 00:19:05 or have to do a rescue treatment or have poor weed control double up on the adjuvant to get where you need to be, but you won't know that 00:19:12 until you test the water. Yeah. You know, one, one of the most, one of the most basic, um, water conditioning agents 00:19:19 that everybody's familiar with is, is a MS ammonium sulfate. And they think they throw it in just 00:19:24 because, well, that's what they call for with Roundup. Well, there's a reason you're doing that is because you're trying to address, you know, 00:19:29 some hardness issues and mineral issues in water. But unless you test that water, do you really understand what rate you need? 00:19:36 You know, some guys will try to get by with a lower rate of a MS 'cause they just don't want to carry 00:19:41 that much product when they actually probably need a lot more because of the, the, of the type of water they got. 00:19:46 Check your water and, and understand why you're doing what you're doing. And a lot of times you get a lot better result 00:19:53 and understand where your dollar is going and why you're, you're, you're, you're putting those inputs there 00:19:58 so you can understand the return on investment you should expect from those products. 00:20:03 What about then, um, the soil imbalance. By the way, I never heard as much about water until the Extreme Magazine came along, 00:20:09 and I'm not sure that any of us did 10 years ago, but it's become, it's become very apparent. Like when Kelly talks about calcium levels 00:20:14 or obviously Matt, Matt used a municipal source that killed his biological. So it was a, it's, it's, it's a consideration 00:20:21 that we didn't even think about not too long ago. What about soil imbalance? Um, that one's gonna be a little harder 00:20:27 to tackle in the short term between now and spring for your plants. Am I right, Kelly? 00:20:33 Uh, yes. It, it can, you know, in this book I'm interested to try these. This is just a book that we just finished 00:20:38 reading here a month ago. Uh, I'm interested to try these things, but I believe it to be very logical and reasonable. 00:20:44 'cause what we've seen, you know, when we're supplying enough soluble calcium, we see big things, uh, yield wise and, and that, and, 00:20:52 and so it stands to reason that that imbalance, and you're right, I've been talking about that. Here's just another reason 00:20:57 that it makes sense working in tune with Mother Nature and doing that. Uh, the, the one, there was an example in the book, I have 00:21:04 to try it, talked about spring soluble calcium or molasses and or molasses with the chemical and, 00:21:11 and how much better the weed control could be. I never heard of anything like that, but I'm sure I'm gonna try it. 00:21:16 Mm-Hmm. But that soil imbalance is a big reason why those weeds come. Got it. You agree with that, Gail? 00:21:24 Which one of those things? Water adjuvants, soil imbalance. Which one's the bigger one? I'm going with water. 00:21:30 Well, I'll, I'll, I'll always, I'll always start with with, uh, just from more Kelly, the soil imbalance thing, because I see the, the biggest, 00:21:39 the biggest advantage you can have to weed control is the crop itself. Yep. Making sure that that crop is, is uber competitive 00:21:47 because you can go into some of the worst weed situations, but if you've got a crop that's so competitive in 00:21:53 that environment and gets off to a good start, grows well on that. Yeah, that 50% of your battle, it is amazing how, 00:21:59 how well you can make, um, a, a mediocre herbicide program look really good if the crop is really where it should be. 00:22:07 And then vice versa. If you have a crop that just isn't doing well, it's under, it's under fertilized. 00:22:13 It doesn't have the nutritional, it's just not growing where it is, it's in compacted conditions, it's all those sorts of things that are just making 00:22:21 that crop struggle to, to grow. The herbicide program can only make up for so much of that. Eventually the weeds are gonna take advantage of 00:22:30 that situation because the crop just can't, can't compete with it. Like I said, the best thing you can do for a crop is make 00:22:36 that canopy dark middle of the season and, and not allow those weeds to germinate after that. And so getting your soils balanced, 00:22:43 getting your nutritional, uh, inputs balanced, getting that crop to the best start, whether that's a starter fertilizer early in the season, whether 00:22:50 that's your, your nutrient balance throughout the season, anything like that that'll give that, 00:22:54 that herbicide program, that weed control program, um, an advantage is, is the, is the best thing you can do. Kelly, get me outta here. Thanks by the way, Gail. 00:23:05 Uh, we can weed management considerations, uh, end of season heading into next season. Uh, you gave us the three bigs and he just gave us that. 00:23:11 Is there anything else that you've learned in your 25 plus years of, uh, managing weeds? Little weeds are easier to kill than big weeds. 00:23:20 So like addressing the winter annuals, a lot of times on some of our ground, uh, or especially early in the season when we feel it's warmer, 00:23:26 we'll put some two, four D in with the plant food, make that pass. But little weeds are easier to kill than big weeds. 00:23:33 And, and looking at like that, a lot of times when we're doing harvest, like as Gail said, we're in such a hurry trying to get the harvest in. 00:23:39 You're not thinking about that. If there's the opportunity to make that fall pass or to put, put a burn down in 00:23:45 that fall pass, I think that's a great idea. It'll really help you out come next spring. Gail, the person that's kind of skeptic saying, 00:23:51 what the hell difference does it make? Uh, they're not competing with a crop. I don't have any crops out there all winter, 00:23:55 so why do I care for some weeds growing out there? I'm gonna save my money, answer me. Well, like I said, 00:24:00 you bet you let those weeds get established now. And Kelly just mentioned a small weed's easier to control than a big weed. 00:24:06 You now let those weeds grow throughout the winter and now they come back as, um, as weeds that want to move to seed production stage and all that. 00:24:16 They're, they're pushing all their, their energy upward next spring and you're trying to push a herbicide 00:24:20 downward to kill that plant. You're gonna use a lot higher rates, you're gonna spend a lot more money. 00:24:24 And most of the time the level of control you get isn't what you want it to be. So, like I said, get it done and get it done right. 00:24:32 And, um, you know, there, there's a right time and a wrong time to do it. Fall applications are, are typically a great time to, uh, 00:24:38 to control all these little weeds that are gonna be a problem next spring. If you wanna learn more about this, 00:24:43 his name's Gail Stratman, his email's Gail, GAIL dot stratman@fmc.com. You can probably go to the FMC website. 00:24:51 Uh, he was with Kelly Garrett. Uh, we're talking about weed management considerations. Again, you know what, I think you almost could have gotten 00:24:56 lulled into it thinking that of all the stuff you've gotta consider weeds aren't that big of a deal anymore. 00:25:00 Well, we're learning that you know what they are. And then that's why we're talking about it here at Extreme Ag. 00:25:04 Roy's ahead of the curve here at cutting the curve. Hundreds of episodes just like this at Extreme Ag Farm. Also, hundreds of videos that I have shot 00:25:11 with people like Gail and Kelly at their field days at these events to help you. It's all free. 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