00:00 Legacy. What does it mean? We talk a lot about, in agriculture, talk about the next generation. 00:04 Well, you know what I'm talking with The next generation, next extreme Ag Young guns. 00:08 That's right. The next generation following the founders of extreme Ag. And another special guest in this episode, special episode 00:16 that is of extreme ag cutting the curve. Welcome to Extreme ags Cutting the Curve podcast, where real farmers share real insights 00:24 and real results to help you improve your farming operation. This episode is brought to you by TIVA Corp, 00:30 providing farmers with the most technologically advanced products and innovative ideas to meet their quest 00:36 for higher yields, top quality and maximum profit. Visit tiva corporation.com. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey 00:45 There. Welcome to a special series within the extreme Mag Cutting Curve podcast. I've got on next extreme mags, I call 'em, 00:52 or Young Guns as the parents might call 'em. I've got the next gen of extreme Mag. That's right. The guys that founded Extreme Ag. 00:58 Well, their kids are involved also on the farming operation. Also, TIVA Corporation. 01:03 That's Mark Kouts, one of our business partners. His son Caleb, the 3-year-old, third generation working within the business Tiva 01:09 Corporation in southern Missouri. He's joining us also to talk about legacy. I've got Danielle Venable, that's Danielle Matthews Venable. 01:18 She doesn't do the hyphenated thing. But anyway, Kevin Matthews, her father, lane Miles, that's with, uh, Matt Miles and, 01:24 and Sherry down in the Delta, east Arkansas. Jackson Henderson from Madison, Alabama. Chad's kid and Verne slash uh, sometimes knows Connor, uh, 01:32 but really called Verne, which is a nickname. Garrett from a in Ohio. And then Alexander Evans from Maryland. 01:38 That's, uh, temple Roads lineage. Alright, legacy. You guys are all part of multi-generational businesses. And farming is a business. 01:45 You guys understand that probably as well as anybody. Some people in agriculture don't seem to, uh, uh, comprehend that, but this is a business, the farm, it's a business. 01:53 It's a family unit. It's a hell of a lot of things. Most importantly, sometimes it's a lot of pressure, it's a lot of complicated, uh, family dynamics 02:01 and also the business keep running. So when we're talking about legacy, there's a lot of, I think, externalities that come into that. 02:06 So let's start right off. Uh, when I say the word legacy, Alexander legacy, yes. 02:14 I just throw it out there. Legacy. What's it mean to you? Uh, you know, living up to that maybe expectation 02:21 that you had of the, you know, the founders before you, like you were saying, um, and that, you know, trying to do better, trying 02:27 to always improve, kind of living up to the legacy. A little bit of pressure. Vern, going down to you. Uh, you see it on the wall when you go into the GLC, uh, 02:41 GLC farms, Garrett land and Cattle farms, um, uh, office. I think it says fifth generation, 02:46 1886 or something like that. Um, does that put a little pressure on you? Yeah. Uh, 1881. 02:53 I will be the seventh generation on this same farm. And, uh, you know, I put a ton of pressure on myself really from that, 03:00 that I've been given this opportunity. I've been blessed with this chance. I, and I'm, I'm incredibly thankful for it. 03:07 And, um, I try to spin that into a positive to that I need to make the most of this is that 03:12 Jackson is what? Jackson legacy. Yeah, I got it. Jackson Legacy. What's it mean to you? I've been to the Henderson office. 03:19 I've been to every one of the people. I've been to every one of your farming operations. I haven't been to the Tuva Corporation, 03:23 but I've been to your farming operation twice. Uh, there's an old house. In fact, that's where your grandpa lived. 03:28 Um, now it's the farm office legacy. What's it mean to you Trying to do, trying to stay a step of, ahead of 03:35 what the last people did, trying to take where our parents are leaving us and then take it further than they ever could. 03:43 Lane, what's the legacy mean? Oh yeah. I mean, basically the same as the same as them. I mean, it's just try not to screw up 03:51 what everybody's built, built before us. Uh, you know, make it better and have something leave to my kids next. 03:59 Try not to screw it up. Uh, you're the first one that said that. The other ones, the other ones were a little more, uh, of, 04:06 uh, not straight to the point. Your whole thing is for God's sakes, don't screw this up. That's funny. Well, 04:11 I mean, that's kind of the goal is if you screw it up, then it's not here no more. Danielle, that legacy, what's it mean when you're in, uh, 04:19 running around between Yadkinville, uh, North Carolina and the other, the other 16 different towns you farm in? By the way, if you've never been there, 04:26 they seem to drive a lot. They, I don't know, they have like a 13 acre field here and they drive another 40 miles to pick up another field. 04:33 I'm exaggerating. But there's a lot of movement. Is that is that's one of the legacies. That's one of the legacies, yes. 04:40 So, I mean, for me, the legacy is how do I lead my mark and make sure that there's room for the next generation to come in. 04:50 Not a farm, but it's kind of still got a lot of the characteristics. Uh, Caleb, you work in agriculture. 04:56 Your grandpa started a company, your dad came into it pretty promptly. You've essentially only ever worked there, I think, I mean, 05:03 I'm assuming you've probably had some jobs in high school or something like that, but this is your professional, most 05:07 of your professional career and development has been there. Uh, there's a legacy. What's it mean to you? 05:16 You know, uh, like, I mean, these guys have hit it on the head, you know, I mean, it's taking what, uh, what our parents, 05:22 what our grandparents have built and trying to make sure that we make the most of it. I mean, on all my end, I, I have the, the, uh, 05:30 I guess not added weight, but the, the concern too. I mean, I have a lot of, you guys, a lot of farmers trusted me with their legacy. 05:37 So I feel not only do I have an obligation to my family to make it better for, for my kids when, uh, you know, if they decide that they, this is what they want to do. 05:46 But I also have an obligation to you guys to make sure that I'm doing the best I can so that you guys can keep your legacy going. 05:54 Yeah. You've got the responsibility as the product maker or the service provider, 05:59 or two companies that, uh, obviously talk a lot about legacy. Um, I think that frankly, 06:05 sometimes we use the word too much. Um, you know, I can be critical because I'm in agriculture. We, we carry on a lot about the family thing and, 06:13 and ags not the only industry that has some of those things. There's a lot of small businesses from bank ownership 06:19 to manufacturers, small manufacturers, construction companies that have that. But it seems to be more of a thing with us. Why is that? 06:26 Why is, why is it that we have this attachment? Vernon, I'll start with you. You talked about 1881. I was off by five years, by the way. 06:32 We're talking about 150 years and he made sure corrected me. That was 18 81, 19 86. I 06:38 Appreciate that. Alright, why are we like this? Why? What is the thing? What is, what is it? 06:42 We sometimes think agriculture we're very different from nowhere else. Kevin said that one of our episodes of, uh, our new show, 06:48 the Extreme Ag show, and I actually kind of quibble. We says, this isn't like any other business in the world. I'm like, uh, we think that sometimes too much, 06:56 you know, seasonality. Well, construction companies have seasonality. Um, there lots of family businesses, 07:02 you know, past generations. What is it about us that makes us different, but also so tied to this legacy thing, I know what this 07:11 for me, and I'm not, I'm not bashing on it, I'm just curious, what is, what is it about this business that you see? 07:17 I think it's a bit of a vocation and a, a way of life that you've gotta give it all you have and stay committed to that. 07:26 To not decide that I need to go, go get the security of a paycheck, which that is a thing with all small business owners, 07:33 but it's almost, it's something that, it's the most basic job there is, right? The, the food production that allowed us to build cities 07:41 and build and create all these different things and civilization. But it's still the most basic unit that, 07:47 that ties you to the land. You're creating that value from the land, from that food. You're the oldest one here, Elaine. 07:56 Uh, what is it about us? Maybe, I don't know if, if your friends that are working in other businesses feel the same? 08:04 Uh, familial, legacy, historical. I mean, I don't know. You, you are the one that threw out there. 08:13 Don't screw this up. We've always heard our whole, your whole life. First generation makes it second generation keeps it going. 08:19 Third generation loses it. That's a been a saying since the time we were kids. Uh, is it more, is there more, is there more adherence 08:27 to that in ag than others? I mean, we're, we're all biased to what we do. So Yeah, you asked one of us. Absolutely. 08:37 I mean, we feel like that, you know, not only in construction do you, you know, take, take them because they do have to worry about whether, you know, 08:46 whether or not they're working on a road, working on a house, whatever we do too. We also have to wear the different hats of being able 08:54 to come in here in an office like this and be in our own accountants, our own mechanics, our own welders. 09:00 We're chemists. I mean, you know, whatever. So we've got so many different hats that we have to wear. I think that's kind of what sets us apart. 09:08 On top of the fact that, you know, if there is a storm that comes, and I know I've used construction once, but you know, their road's gonna get wet. 09:17 They're gonna go home. They're gonna come waiting for it to dry up. We have storms come in, 09:22 our livelihood's sitting out there in the field. Uh, they're weathering that storm. We're sitting under a roof. So I, I think that's kind of 09:29 what sets us apart as far as from other industries, is we wear so many hats and any environmental change affects us. 09:39 And not only us, but our families. And our families are the guys that work for us or with us. Should I say 09:45 Danielle, is there a, is there a tug on you that you think your friends don't have? That you're supposed to stay in this business, 09:52 you're supposed to run this business, you're supposed to work in this business, you're supposed to continue something on. 09:57 Do you think that maybe if you went to college and there was somebody that was your friend that, uh, their family had a bank 10:04 or their family had a a chain of restaurants, do you think it's different for you because of the, because of ag? 10:11 I don't think it's any different. I think, you know, if it's something that for me, like I was raised in, I grew up being involved in it, 10:20 and it's something that I've always had a passion for. So I think that if you have a passion for what you're doing, it's not like a, gosh, I have to keep this going 10:29 for another generation. It's something that you want to do. Like, I, I want to see it do better. 10:34 I want to see what I can do to change it for the next generation to make it where they're not dealing with the same struggles that I'll deal with coming in. 10:43 So I don't think that it's any different as somebody that would be going into banking or owning a restaurant or anything else. 10:51 Anybody else on this topic? 'cause I've got three of you that I haven't specifically brought this to. 10:56 So Jackson and Alexander, you're on, you're on deck, but I'm gonna go to Caleb. Is it different, you serve ag, you work in ag. 11:03 Tiva Corporation doesn't make products that go to the food service industry or to, or to, uh, you know, dry cleaners. 11:10 Is it different? Is it different in this business? Were you, were you, when you were coming up, did you already assume this is gonna be my thing 11:17 and it's gonna be my legacy? I, I knew pretty early on it's what I wanted to do. And I'll add, my dad never pressured me to do this. 11:25 He was happy to have me come in and do it and work with him and, and I think wanted it, 11:29 but he never, uh, never pushed me. He let me have room to, you know, choose my own path. Uh, but there was no other thing I'd rather do. 11:38 I watched my dad, you know, growing up work with his dad, and I didn't wanna do anything else other than work 11:43 with my dad and get out here and, and help people. 'cause that's what it comes down to at the end of the day, is the service we're providing, you know? 11:49 So, uh, I think, I think everyone's hit it pretty good. I think, you know, with Lane talked about, you know, like we got weather and stuff that people deal with. 11:57 It's, uh, there's a, there's a difference in this business that so much of what we do is outside of our own control. 12:03 You know, it's, uh, what, what other business in the world do you make a product and let someone else tell you what the price, 12:11 you know, dictate the price. You know, Apple's not out there asking us, how much will you pay for this iPhone? 12:16 Right? They're telling us how much it's worth. Um, so there's that added, you know, pressure to it that so much is outside of your control. 12:24 But I, I think that there's a lot of positive to it too, of making it our own and pushing it forward 12:30 and keep going. You know, By the way, if we haven't told you already, we're gonna mention a couple times in this episode. 12:36 Teva Corporation is the company that Caleb is with, and they are also the sponsor of this very episode and of this series four part series. 12:43 To start off with maybe, I don't know, might not being some more, uh, they're going pretty well. Four part series here of the Young Guns Next Free Mag, 12:50 and that's thanks to Tiva Corporation. These are coming to you. Uh, go to tiva corporation.com if you wanna learn more 12:55 about their awesome products. Uh, and if you don't believe me, you don't even have to listen to Caleb. 13:00 Probably Chad, Chad Henderson and Matt Miles, uh, just about would jump through some sort of fire with Lions trying to eat 'em over. 13:08 Tiva. They're really big fans of Tiva. Um, pressure. Jackson, your head perked up right there, mostly that talking about your dad getting 13:14 injured and I think you liked it. Um, what about pressure? Is there pressure on you? I think it's pressure on all of us. 13:22 You know, just, you know, like, like what Lane and them said, you know, you're, you're so much a farmer's title is so much, you know, 13:30 different jobs wrapped up into one, you know, and you always wanna make the right decision. Don't wanna do the wrong thing 13:34 because like, you know, like every farmer says you only got like 40 crops in your life to do. 13:39 Right. You know, so it's, it's always the pressure of making the right decision, you know, trying to do stuff that's going to benefit you, that hurt you. 13:48 Temple, temple brought Temple came involved into your life. Uh, Alexander, I think you told me when I saw you in 13:56 South Dakota in July, you have been in temple's. I don't know, I think there's a picture of you and you're like two in his arms, 14:01 or maybe when you're like four riding in a gator with him or something like that. So whether this is, uh, temple's not your, 14:08 your biological father, this has been your thing. You've been on that farm since, essentially you remember, right? 14:14 Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah. And you're right, I was, I was probably two years old in that picture. 14:20 Yep. So was it this thing of, uh, hey, this guy, I don't really, I I don't know, this is what I'm gonna do, or, uh, it was a pressure, did you say? 14:31 Or did you just, uh, they had you out running around and you said, this is cool. Gimme that. Uh, I would, your first memory, 14:39 your first memory, you, you, you were little. Yeah, so my first memory shoot, not long after that picture, really, um, just, you know, 14:47 always riding, you know, go with him everywhere. And he would take me everywhere. And same thing with my grandfather. 14:52 We'd go everywhere together. And, you know, I always joke about, you know, I'd, when I get tired, I'd just lay underneath his feet with, with a roll 14:59 of paper towels in my pillow in a combine or tractor or whatever. But I mean, just going everywhere, you know? 15:03 And, and I joke around a lot, you know, 'cause mom, when I used to get in trouble with school or whatever, she'd actually punished me 15:09 from going to the farm. So she'd be like, you know what, you're not going to the farm for next couple days or whatever. 15:14 So it's just, it's, it's a way of life, you know? And I, I can't get enough of it and never could get enough of it, you know, growing up. 15:22 All right, we covered pressure, recover what legacy is. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna ask a question that I don't want you to take this wrong, 15:27 but, um, it's an, it's a, it's a real thing. Um, each of you has a certain amount of safety net. Each of you is coming into an ongoing concern. 15:39 Um, and again, not being mean, but it's the reality. Um, there are people that start businesses from nothing more than, 15:46 you know, a shovel. And you guys don't have that. So with that, there's a safety net. There's this a security, there's coming into something 15:54 that already is going, but then there's the pressure. So I wanna come and balance that. I don't know who wants to lead off on this first. 16:00 There's people that are gonna say, oh yeah, well, you're pretty damn lucky you're rolling into this fifth generation, second generation, 16:06 fourth generation business, whatever, whatever. But there's also some pressure that goes on with it. So I want you to talk about the balance. 16:11 Yes, there's a security and there's a safety net, and you're moving into this. And you probably would have to admit, you know, one 16:16 of you or two of you already did. You're fortunate. But there's also, there's also a little different 16:21 expectation who wants to take that and lead? I don't mind. Uh, so as, as being, you know, one thing you hear a lot being a person coming up with 16:35 their dad, being a farmer, or really, not even just a farmer, but just a person 16:39 that their family has been successful in what they're doing. Uh, you hear a lot about silver platter 16:46 and you, you got fed with a silver spoon and, and to a degree, you know, they're, they're not wrong. I mean, we are all fortunate enough to be able to sit here 16:54 and say that, you know, our dads did this before us, but we do have the pressure to keep it going. One good thing, and, and I, 17:03 and I assume I can speak for everybody, is my, my, my silver spoon may have been a little bit dirty. Uh, I had to work for what I had 17:14 or for what, what I've gotten, what, you know, everything that, that my dad has led me up to today. 17:20 And he has, he, he's led me up to the point to where I'm today. But he did set me up with challenges and things to face 17:30 and running a, running a farm. That, that is as complex as it is. I've got a lot of responsibilities here that make, make it 17:43 to where I'm earning what I've gotten. I don't ever want to be. And I tell him this all the time, he'll be like, man, don't worry about it. 17:49 I said, dad, I don't wanna be giving it. I wanna earn it. I wanna pay for it. I want whatever I need to do. 17:54 So we are giving things. We're, we're, we're blessed to be where we are. But we've earned it on the flip side for the person 18:02 that is coming into farming today, today, it's next to impossible. And, and most people will tell you 18:10 to get started without some kind of help. Yeah. Whether or not it's the bank going to help you FSA loans or your uncle 18:16 or best friend, you know, 40 acres over you, you, everybody's getting a little bit of help somewhere. Well, It's a c out of the business with low margins 18:25 and high capital expenditure. I mean, it's, it's been the case for a long, long time. So, and like I said, I'm not, I'm not judging, I know 18:32 that you get judged because of the, the generational or the situation you're coming into, but also along with that comes pressure. 18:40 Vern, what do you got? Yeah, when I, when I moved home to farm, I knew for the rest of my life, people will say behind my back 18:49 that I had everything given to me. And, um, at the end of the day, I decided that what's important is what if I know that I did 18:58 what it took to earn my spot and did the most with my opportunity. You can't care about what other people are gonna say. 19:03 You've gotta go out. And at the end of the day, I'll be my harshest critic and I'll make sure that I leave something better 19:09 for the next generation. I know how hard I'm working. I know what I'm doing. And if you can start something from 19:17 scratch, my hat's off to you. But I'm, I'm just gonna do the best with what I got. And yeah, I've got a bit of a safety net and, 19:23 but I just, um, I take that as a positive. I get to learn from my dad and my grandpa. And a lot of the guys we've 19:30 got working on the farm, they're older. They've been doing this a long time, and I'm just, I'm fortunate to get to learn from 'em 19:35 and kind of move into my own spot. Got it. Jackson Security. Yeah. Safety net sort of, uh, responsibility, maybe pressure. 19:46 What do you think when you look at the situation? Uh, you got Big Mike, you got Chad, uh, you got, you got it going on. 19:53 Take me there. Well, like, for my pressure, you know, it's like the area we live in, you know, it's getting, we're, it's like battle of Survival right here for concrete. 20:03 In the last five years, we had seven plants coming here, like Amazon, Toyota, Mazda, and everything. 20:08 So for the pressure for us, it's like, how do we adapt or, or what do we gotta do around here to make it 20:15 where we can survive in this, you know, thriving environment that we're in, or area that we're in. 20:20 You know, there's a lot of competition around here. We got three farmers within a mile of us, you know, so it's like, it's like, what do you do to, you know, to not 20:31 to not out them, but then still survive with so much around here and so little land. So that's, that's where my pressure is at. 20:40 Danielle's nodding her head. Um, you've got the reality of you come back into a situation that's there not exactly given to you, 20:49 but also you got a leg up on others. But then there's the pressure that goes along with that. Every, every, every, uh, what is it? 20:56 Every, every benefit or every dollar then also comes with some level of, uh, responsibility attached to it. 21:02 Yeah. So, I mean, there's definitely a safety net coming back into it. But it's kind of like Bern said, 21:09 you put pressure on yourself knowing that that safety net's there, because you do not wanna be the one for me. 21:14 Like, I don't wanna be the one to mess that up. Like, I wanna know that I've done everything I can do to do it. 21:19 Right. But then we're kind of in a situation like Jackson is, we're right next to Winston-Salem, 21:26 and that's why we farm so far, distance between our farms is we have to have, that's our other safety net is making sure 21:34 that we have land spread out that's not having the urban sprawl come in on it. So the safety net, I think is, it's a good thing, 21:44 but it's still, when you're in our position, you, you think about and you really get down at the end of the day and you, like Vern said, 21:53 you're your worst critic. You're gonna be the hardest on yourself of anybody out there. 21:57 And there's days I come home and I'm like, man, like, I hope I done the right thing there or made the right decision 22:03 because you know that it's gonna impact you five, 10 years down the road. Alexander your thoughts. 22:13 Yeah. Um, they all, they all pretty, they got it pretty good. Um, no, I mean, touching 22:18 On who? Just the duck, who does the duck decoy collection? That's what I really wanna know. 22:22 If you're listening to this and you're not watching it, there are about 50 duck decoy. There's more bottle over, maybe more. 22:30 And Canada Geese, uh, duck de duck decoy and goose decoys. It's, it's a pretty cool office. 22:36 It's straight out of, uh, you know, the, the Eastern Flyway. So anyway, who gets that? 22:42 All of us kids. It gets divided up. Well, go ahead and mark your name on the backs. The ones you the best. 22:48 I, I did, I sharp. I sharped 'em in on the bottom. I sharpened them. Um, know, kind of touching, you know, what on Verne said about being fortunate. 22:56 You know, I was fortunate enough to come into this at a early age, you know, and knowing that you know how to get there 23:02 and looking up to my grandfather and all that stuff, and being able to still farm with 'em today is a big, is a big deal. 23:07 Um, just, you know, following in their footsteps and trying to, you know, stay one step ahead of 'em. Um, and then also being fortunate enough in 23:14 2020, I got my own ground. Um, so, you know, keeping it up and, and kind of doing my own thing, kind 23:20 of stepping out a little bit. But of course, we're all still together. Um, and another good thing is, 23:25 you know, we talk about everything. So everything that we do, we discuss, you know, right down to fertilizer, pricing, equipment, all that stuff. 23:31 We're all, we talk about it together. So that, that helps a a lot, you know? So everybody here feels pretty fortunate. 23:40 Caleb, you feel fortunate? Oh, absolutely. I mean, there's, you know, I come from a little different background. 23:46 You know, I didn't have, uh, you know, we didn't farm growing up, you know, dad has done this as long as I've been around and, uh, you know, so I went 23:55 and was in a, in a department in college that was people going into, you know, different fields. And so, I mean, there's a lot of classmates. 24:03 I had a lot of friends in high school, college teammates, uh, across swim teams that, you know, 24:09 the job market is hard. And so to know that I was fortunate enough to come back and have something that I could, you know, I could do 24:16 that I wanted to do, you know, that's it. It's, it's a blessing, I think, you know, but Lane hit it on the head, you know, he, he says, 24:25 I couldn't have said it better myself. You know, we, I also don't want people to think that, you know, I had everything given to me either, you know, 24:32 dad, obviously I had an opportunity that a lot of people didn't have, but at the same time, we're here just like everyone else here. 24:39 You know, we're, we're working hard. We've been given, uh, whether it's slowly all at once or we're, so we're given those responsibilities 24:45 to prove ourselves and show that we've earned our spot here with our parents, with our grandparents, um, you know, 24:53 that we, we, uh, can carry that weight whenever they decide that their time is up. All right? So let's just keep right off of 25:00 that when they decide their time is up. Well, we talked about this yesterday. A lot of times farmers stay in the game too long. 25:05 'cause they just, they, you know, and we all you see on social media where the, you know, the 90-year-old dad is still running the combine 25:11 and makes his 65-year-old son run the grain cart and all that kind of thing. Uh, I don't, I don't get the impression that 25:18 that's gonna be the case with the people assembled on this call right here. 'cause I know your parents 25:23 and I get it, that they're gonna probably know when a smart time to start hand stuff off. So that's the next question. 25:30 Are you ready to run this business tomorrow? Uh, God forbid something happens sometimes that does happen. Are you ready, Jackson? 25:42 Are you ready to run the operation tomorrow? I don't know if I, I don't know if I am. You know, dad jokes with me all the time. 25:49 He is like, he keeps a book everywhere he goes. He is like, son, if something happens to me, you know, I got a book and I'm gonna help you out. 25:54 You know, you go to this book. If he, if he is driving down that racetrack, he, he takes, by the way, if you're not ready yet, 26:01 you might wanna take the keys away from his race car for another few years, because I think that the, he's probably not likely to get whacked driving a sprayer. 26:08 But when you take, uh, his race car and go 160 miles an hour, whatever the hell they do in a, in an eighth of a mile, maybe you should take the keys away 26:16 for a while, because that's probably where the risk factor is. Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely. 26:22 But yeah, it's just, I, I don't know, it's, I, there's a lot of stuff I've still yet to learn, you know, that I'm, 26:29 I'm still tagging along trying to figure out, but God forbid, you know, I hope nothing happens, but I'm close, but I'm not ready yet. 26:38 But you've got Stewart, Chad's cousin, your whatever that makes you, uh, that's in the office and you still got, uh, grandpa, 26:48 does that make things easier? Or does that make things even more complicated? It makes things, it's, it's kind of both. 26:54 Because you, you're right there where you, you have other, you know, you got other ways and guidance to go to, 27:01 but then you also got more, more decisions and more bosses to deal with. 'cause everybody has their kind of own way 27:07 and own technique to do stuff, you know? So that's where it can make it better or worse. Are you ready to run the operation tomorrow, Alexander? 27:17 Oh, that's a big, that's a big thing to put on your shoulders. Um, I mean, yes and no. 27:23 I feel like, you know, a lot of the office stuff is, is, is a lot to take in at one time. 27:28 And, well, I mean, not at one time, but, you know, the past couple years. And, uh, just the help side really is, 27:34 is a big thing for us. Um, so no, I don't the help Side, Yeah. I mean, 'cause you know, it's me 27:41 and my little brother, of course, dad and then papa, but at Popop he's 83, so we try to stick him on something and leave him on something. 27:47 So, you know, it's kind of hard doing it all. It's kind of hard doing it all. You Know, he might give the guy a couple days off. 27:52 He's 83 Alexander. Yeah, Well, he, yeah, he, he gets the winners off. He just, you know, loads trucks sometimes, 27:59 and he takes it easy in the winter. But, um, but yeah, that's a big, Are you ready, Vern? Are you ready to 28:04 take over? Alexander? It says, it's a tough question, but he never gave me an answer. I want an answer, yes or no. 28:09 So, Alexandra, you gonna gimme an answer? Yes, I'm ready. No, I'm not. Yeah, I mean, I'm ready. I'm ready. How 28:15 About the business side of it? Close? Vern, are you ready to run the operation tomorrow? 28:23 If, If it was forced upon me or something, I, I believe in myself to be able to do it. But right now it feels like there's a lot 28:30 of balls in the air, a lot of fast moving pieces. There's a lot, there's a lot of moving parts, to say the least. Yes. 28:36 My dad talks about when he didn't, he didn't until he was 30 or 35, that the game slowed down, is the way he likes to say it, right? 28:44 Well, they talk about that, that, that's a neat, that's a neat analogy. They talk about that with, when players go to like, 28:49 from college football to the NFL, and they're like, oh my God, I was already around, you know, great college football players at whenever Ohio State. 28:57 And then at the pro level, the, the it, everything speeds up. And so it takes a while to play at 29:02 that level till it slows down a little. I can see that. That's a good analogy. Are you ready to take over, Danielle? 29:09 If I absolutely had to, I think I could do it. I would know who to call if I didn't know how to do something. 29:17 Um, the marketing side, absolutely not. Like I, I've told my dad that we had the conversation back in the winter 29:24 when it comes to marketing. I am not ready for that part as far as like dealing with crop insurance, figuring out a crop plan, all 29:32 that I could, I could get by. But I definitely hope that it's in store for us to have a few more or many more seasons together. 29:42 But definitely a few more that dad's totally involved in helping make those decisions. A few more. A few more. All right. 29:50 Lane, you're a few years older than Danielle, and she says she needs to keep Kevin around, at least for a few more years. 29:56 What about you? You ready to run the operation? Uh, if, if you are a kid coming up in ag and you are behind your parents, you're never ready for 'em 30:05 to leave, um, I will give everybody a little piece of advice. I got through to the fire about four 30:14 or five years ago when my dad's best friend farm manager passed away, uh, went from a glorified 30:21 equipment operator to managing a 10,000 acre farm. Mm-Hmm. Uh, if I, long to make a long story short, spent some pretty hard years there. 30:33 Spent some pretty hard years when I first got my farm in 2015 with a high pressure landowner. And my dad basically just, this is your farm. 30:45 You, you, you do it. Uh, if I had to answer that question now, me and dad talk about it a lot, probably. 30:52 So am I ready for it? No, but I also wasn't ready for Billy to pass away either, so. 30:58 Mm-Hmm. Just, if you ain't ready, get ready. It may not ever happen, but you need to be prepared for it. Caleb, you ready to run Teva Corporation tomorrow? 31:09 I think that if you, you wait till you're ready, you're never gonna be ready, you know, if you're waiting for that, uh, perfect moment, 31:16 when you feel like everything's gonna click, uh, you're, it's never gonna happen. Now, you know? Yeah. 31:22 I, I'm, I would be nervous, but I mean, there's, there's bad nervous and good nervous, uh, there's, there's things 31:27 that I would be nervous about. Uh, you know, debt has handled a lot of the, the, uh, pricing side and the marketing side, 31:33 and let me stick in my wheelhouse of science and agronomy. Uh, but at the same time, I'm, I'm excited to see, you know, 31:41 what I can do and how I can, you know, push this to the next level. 'cause I wanna see it. I wanna see it succeed. 31:48 'cause that means everyone else succeeding too. I just, if you're listening to this and you're not watching, when he said, when Caleb just said, 31:54 if you're waiting till you're ready, you're never ready. I was gonna say, and this is, I remember you guys run, you, 32:00 you all run different types of businesses, but I run a business also, and I'm a few years older than you. 32:06 In my mid fifties, I was gonna tell you that. No, you're not ready. But the point is, you won't be ready 32:14 until you're called upon. And the point is, if you wait until everything's perfect, you know, we all know those people. 32:19 They wait until everything's perfect, and there's no such thing as perfect. So this thing as perfect time, 32:24 there's no such thing as the right time. And so the reality is, no, you're not ready. But that's the point. You won't be even no matter what. 32:31 So you're gonna get cast into it. You're gonna, you're gonna stub your toe, make a few mistakes. 32:35 And I think that's all part of the learning curve. I'm just glad to know that I only have three more years till it slows down according to Kelly. 32:41 So I, I'm, I'm ready for things to, to look a little slower. So I I'm not, I don't have too 32:46 much longer. Apparently there's A real truth to that, whether it's 35 or 40 or whatever. There's a real truth to 32:51 that if you're not overwhelmed right now. And I, I really want you to answer this. And you talk about the legacy. Are you 32:56 overwhelmed, Danielle? Are you overwhelmed at times? You just said you in marketing. My God, I don't know. Jackson just said, I hope dad doesn't die. 33:04 He carries a book around. It could be overwhelming. Are you overwhelmed, Jackson? I think, I think all of us is always overwhelming, 33:11 you know, I mean, with, especially when it gets going time and it's crunch time, you know, it's, it can be a lot 33:16 for everybody no matter what, what we do or how many workers you got, just, just weather, you know, the equipment we got, anything can happen at any time. 33:25 So it's, I think it's always overwhelming. Vern, you turn 25 today, this is your birthday, happy birthday. 33:31 Everybody already sang to him, so you don't need to do that. Um, it means 10 years from now, 33:36 the game slows down a little bit. Maybe, maybe you're on a little faster trajectory than your old man. 33:40 Either way. What thing at age 25 right now do you say, I'm really good at this, but damn, do I need more development here? 33:54 Um, you know, I really love running the equipment and planting for a crop and all the agronomy farming side of it. 34:02 It's communicating and managing people does not come naturally to me. And, uh, that's kinda 34:09 what I'm working on, has grown into my role. So yeah. Agronomics equipment, the actual production side of it. Strength, weakness, managing 34:22 people. Right, Right, right. Yeah. Um, we've got a few employees around and, you know, there are guys that have been 34:32 around since I was young. It's, it's a weird dynamic as I'm coming in and it, uh, it's always changing 34:38 and I'm just trying to learn what I can and find my role. Got it. Alexander, yesterday we made the joke. 34:45 You said, when I asked you about your weaknesses, you said, I guess I really don't have any weaknesses. 34:48 So you're not Alexander the great, you're Alexander, no weaknesses. What's your strength? Maybe you can finally admit this time, 34:55 since we're friends now, what's your strength? What's your weakness when it comes to looking at the legacy, the stuff that you're gonna be called upon, 35:02 whether you're ready or not. What are you gonna, what's gonna be the thing that you say, man, this is the one thing I, I know I'm good at, 35:08 and here's the one I've gotta really, uh, I gotta get better at. I think the biggest side is, you know, pushing 35:15 to get stuff done and, you know, whether there's rain coming or not. Just getting the job done, you know, that's, 35:21 that's on hand right now. Not jumping around doing this and that and this and that and this and that. And losing focus, you know, staying focused on one thing 35:28 and getting it done and moving on to the next. That's your strength. Um, Yeah. Okay. I know it's gonna be hard for you to come up 35:35 with a weakness 'cause you don't have any. If you want me to come back to you, I can. Yeah, here we go. Um, I don't know. 35:43 I mean, weaknesses is, uh, I don't know, I guess, you know, trying to slow down. 35:49 Like I just said, the strength is also my weakness. Just taking stuff one step at a time, you know, we get, we get balled up in stuff in harvest 35:56 season, planting season, whatever. You're trying to do five different things at one time and then you turn around, look, 36:01 you haven't done nothing all day. 'cause you've been jumping here and there and here and there all. So 36:05 I Slow down taking it. Let's go to another side. You're talking about the work. What about the mind? What about the menthol side of it? 36:12 Agronomic give yourself a a grade agronomic or is that, are you a closer to an A or closer to a D on agronomics? 36:21 Probably I'm closer to an a. I'm, I'm getting Business. Business. What about, okay, now somebody's gotta pay for all this stuff. 36:26 Business closer to an A or closer to a D I'm right up there the same, I mean, bills are hard. I get 'em through my nutrient bills, right? Hefty. 36:34 So, I mean, I, I get it. You know, you, You look at the business side. All right. For strength 36:40 and weakness, uh, lane, you, you obviously had to work on a lot of your weaknesses. When, uh, when you were cast into a different situation a 36:48 few years ago, what'd you find out? What did you find out that was your weakness then that probably you've been forced to 36:54 strengthen? I would guess since then. Uh, my weakness was people management. Uh, I went from managing about two people on my farm 37:04 to today. Between all the businesses, trucks, whatever we've run about. There's 36 different people here. 37:12 Uh, and then I've got about 16 that are daily ringing my phone. Uh, we'll have a call log that'll go back from five o'clock 37:23 in the afternoon to maybe might hit noon. Uh, so that would probably be one of my strengths now is people management weaknesses. 37:33 I had to get off of a tractor early, um, you know, in my early twenties. So I would say equipment repairs, 37:43 maybe equipment in general is probably one of my weaknesses. So To keep the legacy going, you're going to, at your scale 37:49 of operation, you're gonna have employees. The good news is you can manage that. The, the thing is, you, 37:54 you got pulled off the tractor seat almost prematurely. Most farmers stay on the tractor seat longer than they should. 38:01 Really. Um, yep. Interesting. Danielle, your weakness, you said is, uh, commodity marketing. 38:07 What's your strength? I think my strength is, uh, it's also a weakness too, in some things. But I like things to be perfectly in order. 38:17 I like to know that every record keeping all that information is perfectly in line. Everything the names are lined up, stuff submitted on time 38:29 and, but that also turns into a weakness because I can overcomplicate something that should be really simple. 38:35 Caleb, strength and weakness. You, you said already, you're, you've focused on the products, 38:41 you focused on the agronomics, the business side of it. I always say a long time ago, remember, uh, I came from show business, there's four letters in show. 38:51 There's twice that many letters in business. You should put twice as much effort on the business as you do on the show. 38:57 You can say the same thing about farm. You can say anything about it, four versus eight letters, the business side's. 39:02 What's gonna probably keep this thing for the next generation, for the legacy part of it. Is that where you need to develop? 39:09 I, I think I can shore up, uh, the business, the lack of business, uh, experience pretty quickly. I mean, it's, uh, it's just another form of math 39:19 and kind of understanding markets. I think it's the biggest part is there. I just haven't had a chance to play with it. 39:25 My, my bigger weakness is gonna be like lanes. I, I didn't grow up on a farm. I didn't, uh, I don't know necessarily all the equipment, 39:33 the machinery, that side of it as well as I'd like to. And I've just not been around as long, you know, my dad's been in this for going on, you know, 30 years now. 39:42 He, even though he didn't grow up on a farm, he, he knows it 'cause he is been around it. And I haven't had that, that chance as we've, 39:48 I've not been on as many guys' farms. 'cause I'm back here, you know, at headquarters making sure Seacats getting made, that trucks are going out, you know. 39:56 And so that, that would be my biggest, that's my biggest, um, I guess nervousness. 40:02 Uh, the losing that, uh, wealth of experience he has and my grandpa has on that kind of side. Right. So for the legacy to continue, you need to get more, 40:09 you need to be in the field more. Yeah, I need to be around, uh, not necessarily on the field, just more experience, 40:16 you know, outside of my little, uh, comfortable lab, you know, mixing area. Need to be talking to people like this right here. 40:24 That's why we're doing this. Okay. A couple more, uh, a couple more to get us out here. This has, uh, been a great discussion. I, I enjoy it. 40:30 Um, evolution. Uh, Kelly told Vern, uh, the game starts slowing down at 35 'cause there are a lot of moving parts, you know, 40:40 depending on what your operation looks like. Tell me about the evolution. Where's Jackson Henderson now evolved to 40:47 and what's the next evolution from, from then to now? And then what, what are you excited about that you're like, Hey, from this legacy standpoint, I'm starting 40:56 to really get my fingers on, I'm starting to get my hands around this overwhelmed to starting 41:01 to feel better about gimme a a a track. Gimme a little track here. Come back to me on that. Alright, Danielle, 41:11 Danielle's talking about commodity marketing. She's a perfectionist. Uh, she wants legacy to continue. Where have you evolved into now 41:20 that makes you comfortable about keeping the legacy going? So I started just tagging along with my dad's coattail, 41:30 like going to the field, checking crops, scouting things to now, well then when I was in high school, I would go 41:38 to commodity meetings with him. Started off in college and each year it's like when I got to college, I started picking up a little more, 41:47 doing a little bit more on the farm, the equipment side. I would run equipment, 41:51 but I didn't really operate the equipment per se until about mid high school, starting college, right? So that came a little later for me and that's fine, 42:03 but I just enjoyed walking out in the field and doing other things more than running the equipment. But then as times went on and you keep picking up things 42:13 and I kept you being involved in attending commodity class, going to different grower meetings, meeting others. 42:20 I think I met Lane when we were in South Dakota and I was in high school. So just doing all of those things has got to where now 42:28 I graduated from NC State and was involved in making banking decisions because I'd had the background of knowing right, 42:36 what it took to go into everything. And at this point now it's, I do everything but make the marketing decisions. 42:44 A lot of things are, that's, That's the interesting part. You know, it's a weakness. 42:48 And the good thing is, of all the things to have with a weakness, Danielle, there marketing, marketing advisors are a dime a dozen in this business. 42:55 Just by the way, that's the one thing that's really, uh, see, everybody's laughing and nodding their head at that. 43:01 They're not laughing, by the way, ready to go to the next person unless you get anything else on the evolution. 43:07 I'm good. You're good. All right. Vern. Evolution, the legacy, the evolution of Verne. Yeah. Um, when I came in, the expectation was 43:19 to start at the bottom of the totem pole and work your way up. And so I started, like Daniel said, as a crop scout, 43:25 handling the small jobs, grain cart operator, and then kind of moving into the role of be being an equipment operator plant 43:32 and combining. And, um, By, by the way, that went marginally. Well, I've been to your shop a number of times. 43:38 There's a couple of combine snouts that have your autograph on 'em, that one of 'em hit a fence post. 43:44 Uh, one of 'em hit a tree. I think that you, if they put you in a 12 year combine, is it safe to say that you've, you've hit at least half 43:53 of the snouts on the combine and head and, and damaged them? I, I'm not keeping stats. Um, go ahead. 44:00 Stuff in the hills. You know, you got ditches and stuff, but we, we don't need to talk about, you can keep track 44:06 and sign them or anything like that. But, um, yeah, you know, I've kind of been in that role lately, and right now dad's main role 44:14 seems to be on his cell phone. And I, I guess that would be the expectation for the next evolution is 44:20 to move more into a management role. Yeah. Yeah. Alexander, what's the evolution of Alexander? You're 23, uh, you didn't really go to college 44:27 because, uh, it was during the pandemic time. And so, um, so your degree was all done correspondence course. 44:34 Uh, you've been around for a while. You've had the, some, you, you're, you're at that point where you're a young person, you're moving on. 44:40 What's the evolution? What, where, where have you come in the last couple years and where are you going? 44:44 So the evolution, you know, kind of like Vern was saying, um, just, you know, 44:48 running equipment ever since I was little. I think I was seven, eight the first time I, you know, started driving tractors. 44:53 And then, you know, evolution comes along. And, you know, here 20, 24 years ago, I started, you know, taking reins in on my own 45:00 and working, you know, having my own farm. Um, so that's a, it's a pretty big thing. Um, I also think, you know, like 45:08 never stop asking questions, I think is a, is a big thing, you know, no question is a dumb question. 45:13 And I think, you know, that that's what's gonna get you to far, this is just not being afraid. You know, mess up and keep trying, you know, 45:21 The best thing you've said, that's the best thing you've said in two episodes, Alexander, man, 45:25 That, that really, that makes my heart warm. I was a little concerned yesterday when you said you had no weaknesses, but I tell you what, the fact that you, 45:32 the fact that you said that you can keep asking questions 'cause you want to keep lifelong learning, uh, that, that's, 45:37 I wanna hug you right now, but that'd be, that'd be strange. All right, Caleb, uh, I'm gonna come to you, 45:42 but not until I kick it back to Jackson. Jackson's had five other people talk. Now, evolution of Jackson, where, where have you come? 45:49 The, what do you have about you come, what are you happy about, positive that you've come through in the last couple 45:54 of years? And where are you going See? Yeah, I guess I was kind of backwards. 45:58 I, you know, my dad's farm his whole life and everything, but I, I would to, you know, I was, I would ride 46:03 with dad when I was younger and stuff, but I never did really run equipment until I was shoot, probably 14 or 15. 46:11 I wasn't, I actually wasn't gonna farm until my early high school years when I was like a junior or senior decided I wanted to farm 46:18 because I saw the importance and, and saw what it offers and how you get to do a different thing every day. 46:23 So I would say I've involved from, you know, I mean, I didn't know anything about it to now I'm the one they go to if something messes up or the technology side of it. 46:33 And I wanna see myself going and taking some of the weight off dad and the stuff they do, you know, like Alexander said, 46:40 ask questions, figured out, you know, just help them. 'cause I, I, my weakness is I struggle on the business side and the agronomy side, and that's where I need to pick up. 46:48 So just asking questions and figure out where to go from there. It's an important one. Uh, especially remember the, the, 46:54 the bigger you get and you talk about evolution, the one thing that, uh, you know, uh, uh, it happens, it's a reality. 47:01 The more, the more you advance in your career or business ownership, the more you become a manager of money and employees. 47:08 Because you'll have, you know, as lane's talking about, eventually you're gonna have somebody, uh, that's driving the tractor maybe. 47:14 And you're got a lot, you know, you're on your cell phone a lot and you're managing a lot. Caleb, I got one last question. 47:20 I guess say this is a long episode, but it's a darn good one. Uh, legacy evolution. 47:25 Where, where, what do you have about in the last couple years and where are you going? I know I like, uh, many of these guys. 47:30 I started, uh, you know, dad didn't, uh, pick any favorites. I mean, I was expected 47:35 to start at the bottom running the forklift, getting things loaded, loading, uh, tankers, all that kinda stuff. 47:41 Uh, in fact, the very first day that I was supposed to be on the job, I set my alarm for PMs of Am and I was late. 47:47 And that went over real well. Um, you know, in the, but as we've, we've figured out our dynamic together, how we work well together 47:56 and where we, where we don't, I've stepped into more of a, a warehouse manager, a production manager. 48:04 Uh, I do pretty much, uh, 80, 85%, 90% of the scheduling now, which was a, a massive problem. 'cause I like Danielle wanting 48:13 everything to be nice and orderly. I wanna be able to plan out my deliveries for the next two, three weeks. 48:19 And so early on that was really hard on me. 'cause that's not how it works. You know, some got someone in Arkansas is moving faster than they thought they were, 48:27 and they need stuff now. And that guy that you were gonna take to in Indiana, he, he's not gonna get it today. 48:31 They're gonna, we're taking it down south, you know, or, uh, so you get all that kind of stuff. Uh, it's been, that's been the evolution 48:38 to me is learning to be flexible. Learning that what I learned at school, uh, it was in, you know, I was College of Science, not College of Ag. 48:46 So it's a nice little perfect world in the greenhouse, but that's not the world we live in, right? It's not the world we work in. 48:51 And so marrying, uh, scientific knowledge with agriculture experience with my dad, you know, that's been the evolution. 48:58 And eventually, you know, we'll move on to where I step into even more of a managerial role 49:04 and help, uh, help operate these sales guys and get 'em out there and make sure that I continue to move production in the right way. 49:12 What's neat to me is the interviewer is talking to you about the legacy. That you all care about it 49:16 and you care about for the right reasons. You know? Yes. It's a profession. Yes, it's income. Yes, it's how you're gonna feed 49:21 your family and all that stuff. It's also, there's a certain pride factor and there's a certain amount of do the right thing. 49:25 So I think that's really cool. So you probably didn't always think that way when you're 15 years old. 49:30 You were a little bastard. Let's face it, we all were one or two sentences piece of advice to the 15-year-old. 49:37 You lane, you're the furthest one from 15. In terms of the farm group, uh, what's the, what's the, what's the one or two sentences you'd tell yourself 49:46 as a 15-year-old looking back now with some, uh, experience, Uh, get you a little responsibility. 49:55 That's what changed me. I didn't wanna farm until I was 16 or 17. I, dad gave me a little responsibility 50:01 and once I got that, it was like, yep, I'm locked. Jackson. One or two sentences since, uh, 50:06 he's kind of got a similar thing. He didn't wanna farm when he was 16. You didn't farm when you're 16. 50:11 What's the, what's the piece of advice that you'd give to yourself and you're 15? Uh, to be patient 50:16 and to, you know, to not, to not judge yourself and not hesitate on things. Daniel, what's Stuff? 50:23 Don't, don't judge yourself. Be patient. What was the other one? Don't be afraid to try new things. 50:29 Good. Danielle? The piece of advice. One or two sentences you'd say to the 15-year-old Danielle, that was the one that was not pregnant, that didn't go 50:37 to NC State yet, and uh, and still didn't know how to do commodity marketing. Just don't be afraid to keep pushing on 50:44 and pursuing what you wanna do, just because it's different than what your friends want. Caleb, 15-year-old you, 3-year-old, you, 50:53 what are you gonna tell the 15-year-old you in terms of legacy, business, whatever. Soak it all in. Everyone around you has something for you 51:00 to learn of, from something to teach you. And you may think that you got it all figured out, but you're far from it. 51:06 And, uh, you know, the only way you're gonna be successful is surrounding yourself with people that are smarter than you. 51:12 Uh, and there are plenty of 'em out there. So just learn everything you can for everyone around you. Vern, what's gonna be the advice you say 51:19 to yourself as a 15-year-old? Uh, you're giving, you're giving advice to yourself at 15. He was 30 back then. 51:25 Well, I was gonna say since he's got that rapid aging syndrome, because, and it's not physically, 51:30 physically he is just fine, but yeah. And emotionally and, uh, from his maturity, so when he was 15, he was 30, now he's 25, he's about 72. 51:41 Um, the advice to myself would be, you're doing this because you love it. Make sure you have fun with it. 51:49 I was putting so much pressure on myself to do everything right and to be the best at everything I did. 51:53 And running equipment, trying to keep up with guys that have been doing it for 20 years longer than me. It's not a realistic expectation when you're in the field, 52:02 just soak it in because this is what you love to do. That's why you're there with putting so much pressure on yourself. 52:08 I like that. Alexander, what are you gonna tell yourself as a 15-year-old? 52:12 Uh, kind of like what Caleb said, you know, be a sponge. Soak it in, take it in. 52:17 And like I said earlier, you know, never be afraid to ask question and no question is dumb. Um, and especially be open-minded. 52:25 You know, don't be tried touching on what Jack said, you know, don't be afraid to try something new. 'cause it may in end, it might, you know, help you out. 52:33 I like it. We talk about legacy. That's the, that's the, the topic here with the Young Guns or Next Stream Magazine calling them. 52:39 That's the offspring of, uh, Kevin, Chad, Kelly Temple, and Matt. And, uh, they're awesome. 52:46 You know, they're supposed to be, keep getting better with each generation. And you know what, as long as it's just me 52:50 and you guys talking, I think that's happening. So anyway, his name, his name's Alexander Evans. He is, uh, Connor Garrett, lane, miles, Jackson Anderson, 52:58 Danielle Venable, and Caleb kz. Caleb, thanks for having us here. Caleb's with Tiva Corporation. 53:04 Tiva Corporation is the sponsor of this special series that we're doing with the next stream Ag or Young Guns as we're known. 53:10 And, uh, if this thing, uh, if this, if you like it, you know what, maybe we'll put some more together. It's a series of four. Check 'em all out. 53:16 Also, check out all the great stuff we're doing at Extreme Mag. Hundreds of videos from the field 53:21 that these guys are shooting that can help you up your farming game. Also, hundreds of episodes of this Cutting The Curve Podcast 53:27 with great guests and great topics that you can apply to your farming game. So next time, thanks for being here. 53:32 I'm Damien Mason on behalf of extreme Ag cutting the curve. That's a wrap for this episode of Cutting the Curve. 53:38 Make sure to check out Extreme Ag Farm for more great content to help you squeeze more profit out of your farming operation.