00:00 Hey coming at you from the chemical shed here with integrated AG Solutions. Mike Evans and Stephanie zlinko with 00:06 Agro liquid. We're gonna delve into this thing that I know that agricultural people think about all the time geographical differences, which then 00:15 of course bring into a climatological differences and how we farm and Stephanie and Mike both agronomic people are going to say, nope. 00:24 It's all about the soil because I've already posed like 11 questions before we started recording this saying, all right, we've met 00:30 down there at Matt miles in the Delta region of Arkansas you and me and your gal Molly with your company and we we looked at stuff. 00:39 There's floating irrigation going on. The soil is so Sandy. It's flat as a pancake here. We are in Western Iowa what 800 miles 00:48 further North 600 miles north? I don't know. It's colder. It's gets hard winter to fields 00:54 are slopey. The soil types are tremendously different and you're saying yeah, but when it comes to chemical Election input selection. It's all still about the 01:03 soil. Help me out here. You're right. It doesn't really matter. What crop we're going. So it could be peanuts cotton soybeans corn. 01:12 It matters what the soil is in knowing what's in your soil and being able to work with in agronomist that understands that to come up with the correct nutrients to 01:21 apply those to make sure we're getting that best response for the crop. All right, Mike Evans. You've been to some of 01:27 these other places that we're talking about, you know extreme AG we've got North Carolina represented. We've got Northern Alabama. We've got the Delta region 01:33 of Arkansas. We've got a harsh part of South Dakota up there with Lee lubbers and we got this place right here. Yeah, you're a soils guy and you obviously know about all 01:42 the chemistry and the Biologicals and the inputs but you gotta admit there's a bunch of differences geographically, even though 01:48 she keeps saying no bring it back to the soil. What's your thought? Oh, yeah, it always comes back to the slow. I mean even here in Western, 01:54 Iowa, you know, I live in Carroll, Iowa and drive. To Denison, Iowa basically in that 40 minute drive. There's three different types 02:03 of soil there. I mean really soil structures that you can drive through and there's probably multiple. There's probably it doesn't types of soils right 02:09 the soil types, but different Landscapes topography, you know, Kelly over here in the Lost Hills and the less 02:15 Hills is there's really only one of two places in the world to have this style soil structure here in China. So it's completely different 02:21 from where you go into Ames Iowa, which is in the Des Moines lobe soil, which is a completely different thing. So, yeah the soil Is very different you can even from here even from here to Des Moines, 02:31 which is only two hour drive. There's gonna be a huge variation. That's because I'm glaciation. It's because of the way the deposits were is that we're 02:37 talking about. Yeah. All right, but the weather has to matter. It was a I think it might have been a hundred. The last time I saw you we were in we were in we're in north 02:46 Alabama at Chad Henderson's place and I think it might have been a hundred degrees in the shade. The last time I saw you and we're 02:52 out there you being a Michigan person me being a northern Indiana person like yeah, we know heat but good God this you 02:58 could die out here. Yes, and you're telling me that that's not a major factor and what you're gonna recommend based on, you know to get a yield is 03:07 not about the weather. Absolutely. It's a factor and it's a factor of what that extreme temperature in the difference and rainfall 03:13 does to that soil. So again it out goes back to the soil those hot temperatures changes the way that soil performs and what nutrients it can hold. All right, you have 03:22 some weather issues here. We all do you've had great shoes. You got it gets down to 10 below zer. I mean we got all that stuff. What do you think happens differently 03:31 here in the less Hills the western part of Iowa versus the place. We just said Madison, Alabama what's different? 03:38 Great, the soil is different but also the growing conditions Etc. What do you think you're doing differently than Chad Anderson does. 03:46 Well as far as like the weather now, let's talk about everything from soil to weather to you name it. Yeah the weather I mean we get temperature swings 03:52 I mean Right two days ago was a hundred and five hundred six heat index here. And this morning 03:59 was 59 degrees nice cool morning. So we get those a lot more swings in temperatures, especially in the spring, you know. 04:06 The 2021 April was probably one of the more drier ones we had this year was the third coldest on record. So we deal with a little more extreme weather right now 04:15 extreme. It's Lee deals with out there, but we Deal with it quite a bit here. So all right bringing it back to the soil. You say. All right, we all have to adjust for weather. You bring back the 04:24 soil tell me that your your rule of thumbs your rules of thumbs. Definitely when it comes back to the soil. What's different what's in Saginaw County Michigan 04:30 versus what's going on in North Carolina where Kevin Farms? What do you think about when you think about this the managing for the soil? The biggest difference probably is 04:39 Organic matter in organic matter is getting gonna come back to those temperatures that if you have hot sun baking all the time, 04:45 you're gonna break away that organic matter much quicker Therefore. Your soil has less holding capacity. So you have to 04:51 spoon feed your nutrients more you need to manage that a little bit more closely than you do in areas like around here or even back home that have higher organic matter. We have a better 05:00 holding capacity in that soil. I honestly and as much as I love the soils because I wanted to be in agronomist. I never even thought about the organic matter holding for the chemical 05:09 or the inputs. I mean obviously think about it water retention is better and those kinds of things organic matter. You got lots of it here, right? Yeah. I mean 05:18 we range from about oh probably three percent five percent and we're so it makes a little easier for you than those poor people down there 05:24 and the Delta Region, right? Well, yes and no, I mean well Matt miles and chat Harrison tell Kelly here you could plant backwards in July 05:33 and still get 200 bushel corn. Is that accurate Stephanie? It's All About Management and so not accurate 05:40 Sorry, Chad. Sorry man, not necessarily accurate. But you know again it goes back to that management of what you do under those conditions you have. All right, so tell me what about managing 05:49 for it? All right. We already know what they're gonna be a factor. What else then we'll talk about spoon feeding in the South. Give me some other rules of thumb 05:55 about managing for soil. Infero applications the Sandia the soil. So the less organic matter the less clay, you have the less you can safely 06:03 put in Furrow. So you don't lose much infurrow when you're in a sandier low organic matter situation because the info the product just won't stick around it won't 06:12 stick around and it can also cause some stand reduction just because that soil doesn't have enough buffering capacity with two by two 06:18 something. I never even know about till I join extreme AG where you're putting stuff you're putting at time of planting you're putting inputs 06:24 two inches away and two inches down next to the seed or just away from the seed. Can we do that in those environments? Yes much safer to put it away from the seed. So 06:33 you don't have that seedling into in low organic matter. So if we were in if like our friends in the South we are in low organic matter 06:39 stand to your type soils where it's hotter Etc Two by Two Is Better Than infero for at time of planting nutrients. Yes. Okay fungicides do we and 06:48 I know you're not fungicide Gallery liquid. Does that matter based on soil? I think it does matter because it has to do with what disease you can get in 06:56 there in the soil and what that tolerance of those crops are so all of your management practices whether it's weed control fungicide insecticides are going to vary based upon 07:05 those conditions Mr. Evans. Give me a couple of things that you do that, you know that various other parts of the 07:11 country could not do or should not do based on soil not soil type but soil characteristics as you would say 07:18 Well, that's good question. You know, we probably put a little more on infero than like say Chad. Yeah, right. That's our 07:27 capacity to hold. So we'll put a little bit higher rates on for that reason and the two by two. 07:34 We probably do a little different concoctions in the 2x2 of fires fertility and stuff. Then other parts of the 07:40 world because of our soils and what they have. Probably nitrogen rates, you know, they can probably get away with much higher nitrogen rates in a single pass then a sandier 07:49 soil can yeah. Okay. So how much we talking you're using double you're using 10% more using 100% more. Oh varies between 07:59 operation, you know here at Kelly's. We're probably putting on 12 15 gallon up to 20 in some spots. We got 08:05 a customer north of here with probably organic matters in the four to six range and he's putting on 40 50 gallons of nitrogen on with this planner. So, you know, he's and 08:14 that means he's got that means that that person has to put on less three a month down the road too much down the road. It 08:20 actually has holding capacity you and they definitely our boys down the South can't do that. Can I do that? Okay with this 08:26 in mind, we know there's different soil type Stephanie where are folks wasting money or it's like hey, I think it's cool. You're trying but your 08:35 soil does not support your practice. You are wasting your money. Give me some examples. So I don't like saying guys are every wasting money 08:41 because you're in the business selling in If you say sell sell right right, but if they have found a practice that works for them, then they're not 08:49 wasting money. And so that's what I always go back to there's probably applications guys are making because they've seen some high-yield guy 08:55 or they sell Kelly do it that they think it's gonna be successful for them. But you need to try it on your own Farm your 09:01 own location first to make sure that that practice is gonna work for you instead of switching 100% of your Acres over and so 09:07 there's lots of products out in the market a lot of them have fits, but I don't have fit everywhere. So it's testing to 09:13 make sure that you're getting a good return for that product. You're applying good. Give me an example that you've learned Mike here 09:19 here at Landon cattle or in your business with integrated AG Solutions. Have you looked back and 09:25 said, you know based on our soil characteristics. We were using a product that we didn't get as much return on it because we were misapplying it. We didn't we used it unnecessarily. Yeah. 09:34 We you know last year we put some potassium in the two by two and this year we took it out because looking at the soils and some of the stud. 09:42 Tweeted last year. We just realized we needed that more late season. So we're gonna move that dollar to late season take it out of there because it just wasn't probably as profitable as it needed to be in 09:51 that that application. What's something that you though do use and you absolutely get a bang for your buck on it that 09:57 may be people with lighter soils or in different climatological zones. What do you think you're getting bang for your 10:03 buck on that? They would not one big thing that we've done is humic acid and like a you know humic acid on the planner and the two by two is a 10:12 must. Okay, so can our friends down in the South who keep using that example, that's only because you and I have done videos just like this at Kevin Matthews and 10:21 North Carolina very different soils and very different climateological issues. Then we have right here in Northwest Iowa, and 10:27 we've been it matters in Alabama. We've been in the Delta Region. What do you think works here then work there that you 10:33 should be using. Well, we've done the humics in the fallback asses down there pretty successfully. So I think those, you know have a wider 10:39 span of success some things, you know. the calcium potassium combination product we're using down in the south is 10:47 Specifically made for those Southeastern soils those sandier soils, they have low potassium and low calcium, you know, 10:53 they're potassium levels are pretty good here. So they wouldn't be that something that you'd say. Don't use it. They don't hear but you use 10:59 it down there anything else? You know, there's lots of nutrients you can go through again very specific to that soil test. So it could even be two different fields in 11:08 the South. If you looking at those soil tests figure out what nutrients low and then address that nutrient need. 11:14 Last thought geography versus soil you obviously all about go about the soil, but obviously you make adjustments for both. What's your what's your last recommendation for 11:23 the person watching here? That's like they'll I'm guessing make excuses either. They don't have the right solar. They don't have the right weather because 11:29 that's what everybody does right. Well if I had your soils I would do this and I plant backwards in July. Anyway, everybody's got 11:35 one of the other what's your go-to? What's your thought? What's your what's your final on this? Well, we can't change the weather 11:41 no matter where we're at. Okay, I can't predict the weather right? We just got to manage through it. But the soil is the soil soil is 11:47 there so I recommend everybody test and test frequently, you know. We used to do a lot of grid sampling but there's a lot of other tests out 11:55 there today that are probably a little more informative about your soil as encompassing. You know, we use the next level lag up in South Dakota what they're 12:01 indicator tests to get a better grip on what's going on sure and we're now talking about soil biology like where you're really not just 12:07 testing for the nutrients and you're talking about biology your last go to soil versus geography and your thoughts 12:13 that you'd tell anybody. So the same as Mike, you know, take those little tests but one step further is work with 12:19 somebody that understands that soil test but you need to have a good understanding yourself because you know, you need to know you can trust that 12:25 person you're working with so get a general understanding of soil test. There's videos and things out there that can help get that basic 12:31 understanding and then work with someone that can actually solve those questions for you. She was reluctant to give a pitch but I will for 12:37 her her company, I grew liquid has a thing called Back to Basics and it's pretty cool because it's very short videos and it's all about interpreting your 12:43 soils because that was one of the big things back to basics. Let's start with the soil and your company produced all those videos informative helpful stuff. You can find that. 12:52 If you go to the agro-liquid.com website, right? Yeah, it's called Back to Basics. So it's also a great way to talk to you point is we know you got Geographic geographical 13:01 issues and we're gonna make a few different adjustments, but we're really not doing that because of your geography we're doing it because of your your soil 13:07 got it Mike Evans and and Stephanie's elinko. I'm Damian mace come at you from the chemical shed here in Western Iowa start with the soil. Don't blame the 13:16 geography until next time extreme AG dot farm for more cool stuff like this.