00:00 Burnt beans. A strategy for greater soybean yields. That's what we're covering in this episode of extreme Ag, cutting the curve. 00:06 Welcome to extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast, where real farmers share real insights and real results to help you improve your farming operation. 00:16 This episode is brought to you by Simon Innovation. Protect your crops and maximize yield with a full lineup 00:22 of innovative precision tools engineered to enhance the efficiency and accuracy of your sprayer. Visit simon innovations.com 00:29 and start getting more ROI out of your sprayer. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey there. Welcome to another 00:37 fantastic episode of Extreme Ice. Cutting the Curve. Got a great topic for you today. We're talking about stunting your soybeans. That's right. 00:43 Actually purposefully stunting them, harming them, push them back a little bit. Why? To cause a reaction to the plant 00:51 that gives you a bigger yield when you run with the combine. Temple Rhodes did this last year 00:56 with help from Tommy Roach of Nature's. They're gonna tell us why they do it, how they do it, and what then ended up, uh, you know, at time of harvest. 01:02 It's kind of a big deal. It's kind of a neat thing. I remember years ago, guys, I was at one of those, um, high yield conferences as a speaker, 01:08 and they had one of these high yield guys come in and talked about different things he was doing. And this was like 10 years ago, 01:14 how sometimes you gotta punish the soybeans a little bit and all of a sudden then they react by thriving and, 01:19 and all this sort of thing to first I'd never heard of that. Obviously it runs counter, uh, 01:23 to everything you ever thought we were supposed to, you know, nurse these plants along and, and, and, you know, love them and all that. 01:29 So what is the deal? Why do we need to harm our soybeans to get bigger yield, Bigger yield? Um, 01:37 I guess I'll go first. So, Damien, what, so we started out a long, long time ago, we started doing this with, with chemistry, right? 01:44 So I mean, the chemistry that I used was Cobra. And right when I thought I had it figured out, what ended up happening is we put in a, a, a trial 01:54 for Asgrow and it was like, I don't know, 15 different varieties out there and we burn 'em all back at the same time. 02:01 And what we were finding was, is every one of those plants acted different, all those different varieties. 02:08 So some of 'em, yeah, we, we obtained a better yield with it by stunning them early on in their vegetative growth. 02:15 You know, because we don't sell biomass, we sell seed and we need to stun 'em. Because when you put a bunch of fertility in plants early, 02:23 all you get is this lush biomass. And you look, man, these are the best looking beans I've ever seen. 02:29 They're black green, they look fantastic, they're chest high. And then you go out there and cut 40 02:34 or 50 bushel beans, you're like, what happened? Well, you basically fed all the vegetation and you didn't feed anything 02:41 through the reproductive stages. So we were trying to figure out a way to to, to kind of stun 'em. 02:47 Well, we did it with Cobra. I thought I had it figured out. Well, I did have it figured out, 02:52 but it was with one variety. And it started, started getting to a point when we started changing varieties 02:59 and we went to Roundup ready ones first and then twos, and then, you know, we gotta extend. And we got this, we got that. 03:05 Well, it ended up some varieties just couldn't handle that chemistry. Um, you know, quote unquote burn back. 03:13 They couldn't handle it. Some of them were like, it was like a negative 20 bushel. Some of them, it was a positive 10. 03:19 So it was all over the place. So I decided like we get to do something different. So I tried it and I burnt some of 'em back 03:28 and stunted 'em with fertility. And I used a, a sulfur product. That's kind of how I started. 03:34 And, and it was working very well. It was really working well. But you would also get to a point 03:41 where you burned them too hard. So we needed to start putting cer certain things in there. Like, you know, when you put a 03:47 In there before, before we get, before we get into the cocktail mix. 'cause that's where Tommy's gonna come in 03:50 before we get the cocktail mix. Let me, let me go back a few pages here. This is the thing Temple gets really excited about this, 03:55 by the way, dear listener, I've been trying to get this episode recorded since the first week of April. We're finally getting recorded the first week of July 04:01 because I wanted this to be in your inbox. I want this to be for you to watch like, and contemplate this, uh, ahead of time. 04:09 So he's, he's got a lot to share this topic. He's just, um, he's 90 days, uh, he's had 90 days to store it up and let it ruminate. 04:16 Um, go back to the thing about why we do this, and then we'll talk about the varieties, then we'll talk about the methods 04:21 or the, the cocktail mix that you used. Tommy, you're a plants guy. You're a fertility guy. Um, again, this runs 04:28 counterintuitive to what you would think. I thought you wanted your plants to be beautiful. It was last year. I'm at Kelly Garrett's 04:34 and I said, these beans look like crap. He said, I don't want 'em to look good right now. I said, you don't wanna look good right now. 04:39 When do you wanna look? He says, he said, what we've learned is creating vegetation is not what I'm, what our business is. 04:46 And that's exactly what temple's saying. So kind of start with that. This is a mindset shift. This is a hard mindset shift. Your, your landlords drive by. 04:54 They don't wanna see crappy beans, you know, that's true. Farmers don't wanna see. So it's a mindset shift 05:00 that's gonna be a hard one to get over. But let's start with the whole thing about vegetation versus, uh, versus yields. 05:08 So I know we're not here talking cotton, but they've been doing this for years and, and cotton, because cotton 05:15 and soybeans are very similar in that they will grow vegetative and you have to make 'em not do that. 05:24 You, you want 'em to grow you, you want 'em to grow reproductively. So they've been doing it with, uh, 05:30 plant growth regulators for years. And there's, there's different things you can use in this instance. 05:36 You can do it with plant growth regulators. You can do it with low doses of chemistry like temple used to do. 05:43 You can mechanically do 'em. Uh, there's, uh, big, big rollers out on the market that you can actually flatten, uh, beans early 05:54 and they'll, you know, that'll stress 'em and make 'em branch out. Or you can do it in this case, um, fertility wise. 06:02 So why do we do it? Uh, you, everybody has seen, uh, whether it's a, a corn plant on the, in a row, a soybean plant 06:13 that's sticking out there by itself. You see what it does when it has no competition. I mean, it just branches out. 06:20 It, in the case of corn, it puts on, you know, three ears on, on soybeans. It just branches out 06:26 and looks like a big old west Texas tumbleweed. Yeah, by the way, that's what we want. If your, if your corn plant put on three ears 06:34 and there were three normal big 16 round, you know, half a pound of, uh, kernels on 'em, it'd be okay. But that's not usually what happens. 06:42 So that's the problem with the, with overdone vegetation is that it actually doesn't produce 06:48 because obviously your logical size, well hell, bigger plant more pods, more yield that that's not the case, right? 06:55 Temple. That's not that, that isn't the case. And what you're trying to do is you're trying to stop 'em from growing up 07:03 and you're trying to get 'em to grow out. You, you're trying to keep 'em shorter and you're trying to get 'em to branch out. 07:09 And this actually works. Um, we've tried, like he said, you know, take for instance when you stress out a plant, you run over one, 07:17 um, with your, in your sprayer track early on and you come back and you're in R one, let's say, and then your sprayer track, you go out 07:25 and you find your sprayer track, the ones that you ran over, man, they're all bush out 07:28 and they're like, you're like, what in the heck is going on here? It's because that plant got stressed 07:33 and you made it do something different that it wasn't supposed to do. That's the whole idea. 07:38 We're trying to stop the vegetative growth and we're trying to stop all that fertility to just make biomass and that you've put out there in your soil 07:46 and need to stop that. And we need to get that thing into a mindset of we need to go to reproduction, we need to branch out, we need 07:54 to go ahead and put on more pods. We need to do that stuff. So you're shoving it into a different direction than what it normally would do. 08:03 Tommy, you're a Texas guy. You're the panhandle Texas kind of guy, which why you referenced cotton. 08:08 Um, these are the two plants we've heard about. I don't wanna, later on I wanna find out if there's other, uh, crops that we do this with. 08:14 But since we're talking about soybeans in particular right now, um, when did this concept come to soybeans? 08:19 I said it was about 10 or 11, 12 years ago. I heard about it for the first time. Is that, is that when it kind of became the thing 08:26 It's been around for? And like Temple said, um, there's been a lot of people doing it for a long time using 08:35 sulfur based products. Um, but the problem with that is it, it really dinged it. 08:43 If you didn't know what you were doing, uh, it was almost too harsh. Um, another reason why we do this, 08:51 and this, this is a whole nother topic, but people tend to plant soybeans too thick anyway, which cau which causes them to grow up even worse, 09:03 grow, grow towards sunlight. So that, like I said, that's a whole nother, yeah, Yeah. So the point is, one 09:09 of the, one of the, it seems that's, you talk about really silly, let's go out and put 200,000 seed population in the ground 09:15 and then realize that, uh, to keep 'em from growing to be as tall as trees, we gotta go 09:19 out and try and whack 'em back. Maybe it's just plant less soybeans, which we've talked about population trials and, 09:24 and uh, that was a, a neat thing, you know, uh, where you're probably planting, you're probably planting 25 to 40% more soybeans than you need in most cases. 09:33 That's, that's probably still a true statement, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. Alright, 09:40 That's an easy place to start if you wanted to cut back costs. Alright, so Temple used a product called Cobra. 09:46 He's talking my language. I think I had a Cobra ha from, uh, when I was a farm kid, like back when I was 18. 09:51 So this is some, this is going back a few years. That was chemistry from a long time ago. You used to use that in low dose 09:56 and knock back your soybeans. That was, that was a long time ago. Yeah, I mean, that was, I mean, I've been, 10:02 I've been doing this thing for 15 years or better, you know, playing with this. Okay, so then you, you, you played from, from Cobra 10:10 that worked, but uh, then you switched, then what'd you switch to? You said fertility. 10:14 So then, so then we went to a sulfur product. So when we went to a sulfur Product, wait a minute, why, why is, 10:20 is it you use it in a high dose? Because normally putting on uh, a micronutrient is a good thing? 10:26 Well, it wasn't really necessarily a micronutrient, it, I guess it would be a micronutrient, but it was, um, it was ths sulfate. 10:34 So oh, sulfate, you went out there, when you go out there and you put ths sulfate on, 10:39 it can burn the crap outta the beans. And it did, it burned them back really hard. So we'd go out there at a really low rate of, you know, 10:47 less than a quart an acre, but sometimes it would really stunt the beans and I mean, it would like, like the whole tops of 'em, 10:55 it, it'd fry 'em down. Now would they come back out of it? Yeah, sure. They would come back out of it. 11:00 But the problem with that is, is when you, when you ding them up that hard, you're taking away all your solar 11:07 panels and all that's gone. So then you need 'em to grow out of that. And then, you know, the rest of the leaves kind of come on 11:15 and to take that over. So you lose a big window in there of getting that solar energy into that plant. 11:22 So I started changing up and I was like, okay, so we're gonna still do this. 'cause it does, it definitely works. 11:29 But what happens if we could put a humic in there and a and a humic acid has a great buffering ability to not burn things as, as harshly as what, you know, 11:40 just using regular, uh, sulfur on that deal. So I started adding that and it was better. And it got to a point where you kind 11:48 of couldn't see the burn. You could tell it it's done at the plants, but then we kind of graduated from there 11:56 and, you know, when we're trying to figure out exactly what to do, so we would burn the beans back with sulfur, um, 12:04 along with a ic and then we would wait a couple days and wait for the plant to kind of get its stuff back together. 12:09 And then we would come in there and we'd put a really heavy micro pack on, right? So we kind of wanted to stun 'em 12:16 and then kick 'em in the butt and get 'em going again. And that would make 'em branch out and they would really kind of get their stuff together. 12:23 But when I called Tommy and I was like, Tommy, here's, here's the problem. Like, we can't afford 12:28 to be making all these trips across the field, like go in with one, come back in the other. 12:33 So this this program, wait, How many times you're doing it? This is, I thought it was a one time thing. 12:38 Well, I'm talking about years ago. I'm not talking about today. I'm talking about years ago. So years ago we'd go and we'd burn 'em 12:46 and then we'd come back with a micro pack three or four days later after they kinda got their stuff together. 12:51 So we're, we're talking about a couple different passes. And So the, in the old days, your methodology was you go out 12:57 and whack 'em with sulfur, a sulfur product and a flic. And then, and then four days later, the soybeans responding, begging for life, and you go out there 13:07 and gave him a bunch of micronutrients. So that's two trips. That doesn't seem that excessive. Well, anytime that you can cut two trips back into one, 13:16 you right, you, you've, you've increased your ROI. All right, so Tommy, then, um, he comes to you and says, I need a better method. 13:23 First off, I know you're a fertility company, nature's, that'd be a good time for a little spot about that, wouldn't it? 13:30 I'd like to remind you that Nature's is focused on providing sustainable farming solutions 13:33 and helping maintain genetic potential for, uh, your farming operation with nature's high quality liquid fertilizers powered 13:40 by nature's by, okay, you can target specific periods of influence throughout the growing season via precision placement techniques as a means to mitigate plant stress, 13:47 enhance crop yield, and boost your farm's. ROI Yes, that's Tom's company right there, Mr. Roach, Texas Tech University, proud Natures. 13:55 Anyway, he came to you with this and you said, why don't we just do this all in one pass. Okay, that makes sense. Why would your first answer, 14:03 as a fertility guy, I know why 'cause you wanna sell fertility products. Why was your first answer Temple? 14:08 We can accomplish this with just putting a plant growth regulator in. I would think that that would work. Why not? 14:15 Why not plant growth regulator? Because I'm a fertility guy, I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole. 14:22 You could, but I'm not going to. Okay. There's other people out there that can do that. So his problem was he's making two passes to get this, 14:31 to get this job done. Now my my task at hand was to cut it back into one trip, but because you're dealing with fertility 14:44 and chemistry, you have everything has to play nice. So that's, that's where I came in and trying to add, you still have to have the 14:56 thous sulfate component. You still have to have IC component because in that IC you do have a certain portion of 15:05 fulvic acid in there, which helps plant uptake. But then comes in the micro, the micronutrient part, that's where we start thinking about magnesium 15:17 because we talk about photosynthesis and magnesium is at the center of coril. So that's one component of it. 15:27 Calcium cell structure, uh, Molly, which especially in legumes, it's all tied to, uh, ni nitrogen, um, nodulation. 15:42 And then we think about, uh, manganese, manganese and magnesium kind of go hand in hand in the whole, uh, photosynthesis complex. 15:54 So that, that was in there. So had all these different components that I had to try to play nice together and I got to work. 16:05 All right. So 50% of them don't play nice together anyway, Damien. Yeah. So when you're talking magnesium, calcium, boron, 16:13 borons in there, none of those play nice. All right. So what I'm hearing is you created a pro, uh, you created a cocktail that burns back, 16:23 but also then fertilizes. Yeah. So it, it, it's, it waxs it, but then also a few days later, the plant responds 16:31 and then the fertility is there. And then temple just saved one pass a lot of time and money. I got that. And then boom, 16:37 the plant's off to the races. Is that what happens? Yep. And the other thing is, is think about the pgs. Like how many times have you heard guys say that 16:48 pgs like they work very well, do not get me wrong, but in this case, you know, A PGR might not necessarily work 16:57 the way that I want it to work. And PG can, if you use them at their, the exact trigger point where it needs it, 17:04 they work very well. But if they, if it's wrong, it can be detrimental. This is fertility. Like, it's never going to be detrimental 17:14 because it's fertility. Okay. That's, that's what what I like About it. That's a big one right 17:18 there. Because I didn't even know what plant growth regulators were until I started working with you guys a few years ago 17:23 and I'm like, okay, this makes sense. And you're saying the problem is if you get something wrong with it, it it, it, uh, it bangs your, 17:30 it bangs your plant too much. What's, what's the danger of just doing a plant growth regulator program to burn back your beans? Or, 17:37 Or to Well, there's, there's no real plant growth regulator that will actually burn back your beans. Can plant growth regulators go in there 17:45 and stimulate root growth. Sure they can, but none of them out there to date will actually stop the plant from vegetative growth 17:55 and branch more. Okay. There's, there's not that out there. So the only thing that happens, the cocktail 18:00 that you put together, Tommy, you put together this cocktail that did the burn back, 18:04 and then once the plant starts coming out of it and uh, doing its recovery, its reaction wasn't then, okay, I'm recovering as a plant, I'm gonna grow tall again. 18:14 The reaction is I branch out. That's, that's what you looked for. And then the, and you had the fertility there. 18:20 Why is the plant's reaction to branch out then after the setback versus to just start growing tall again? 'cause the idea is to what we've done, 18:30 we've shortened the inner nodes that gives you more fooding sites, but you actually trick the plant through fertility 18:38 and not so much through, uh, plant growth regulation, but you've tricked the plant into, oh, maybe there's something better than going straight up. 18:49 Maybe I'm, I need to do something different. And that's, that's kind of what, what's going on here? Simple. You get my point here? 18:59 If you, if you, if you go and whack it and, uh, set it back a little, it seems interesting that then the reaction, is it 19:09 because the plant thinks it's getting closer to dying? Is it because you, you know, it starts getting dark. When it starts getting dark and shorter days, then plants, 19:15 uh, obviously do what they can to go into, uh, you know, reproductive mode. Is it, is it, is it doing that? 19:21 Well, I mean, anytime that you can start to trick this plant into shoving it into, Hey, I need to go reproduction, reproduction versus 19:30 vegetative, that's a great thing. Because we don't, we need reproduction. We need to lengthen out the window of reproduction. 19:36 We need a longer window there. And, you know, soybeans are, you know, non determinant, you know, well ours are anyway, 19:44 where they're constantly putting on more blossoms. So you can kind of play in that, in that pool of, like, you, you kind of push the envelope 19:51 for mm-hmm. For lack of better terms. All right, so the cocktail you put together, Tommy, you named about every, I think you got 40 19:59 of the 132 chemical elements. Uh, when you went through that, I heard, and by the way, you said Molly, I like it 20:06 to make people say it because Evans, who works over there with, uh, Temple's rival Kelly, can't say molybdenum. 20:13 He's key. He is like a brilliant agronomy guy. He can't say moly, deum. And I just, I say it multiple times just to bother. 20:19 Maum, maum, maum, Molly went to Maum. Anyway, what did you put in this? And is this something 20:27 that everybody can buy this cocktail that you made for Temple? So here's the Funny, go ahead and answer that one. 20:33 Well, here's the funny thing. So we've, we've been doing field days this year with extreme extreme ag, and 20:42 after somehow it gets brought up at all these fill days about what we call bean squasher. And after the field days, a week later I'll have, 20:53 I'll have guys call me, Hey, where can I get, how can I, I want to use some of this. 20:57 Be squasher. Well, it's at least right now, it's nothing that, uh, that you can buy. 21:05 Bye. We're just kind of playing around with it. And of course, me being the nice guy I have, if people want to try it, I've been letting 'em try it. 21:13 So, All right. So can, can somebody right now get a little, uh, can get uh, beans washers from nature's? 21:21 They Have my name and number. Okay. So if they Can call me, I, I'll make sure they can get it. Tell him to call me. I, I'll 21:29 Get, alright. So here, here's the thing. Do you think that it's, it's, you toyed around with this, I mean, you, you guys like 21:35 to do this, you, and then, uh, you also had Chad, uh, Henderson on, on the thing. Do you think, you think you got it right? 21:43 I mean, is this the right cocktail? I would, um, I would say it's, it's extremely close. I mean, I know what Tommy did. 21:54 Tommy kind of went back and he looked at, um, when he was coming up with a concoction, he was looking at what does 22:00 that plant need at that stage in its life And let's go after that. What does it, you know, so I know that's how he made this. 22:08 And it actually blends very well. It does a really good job. We were going out there putting on anywhere between 32 22:15 and 48 ounces of this an acre. Um, we were a little bit skeptical at first. We were using like 16 ounces 22:23 and we weren't really seeing a lot of burn. Um, we think we've got it. I would say that I think 22:29 that we've got it kind of figured out. Um, it gave me a big return on my investment last year. I thought it did a really good job. 22:38 I had all positive results. Um, what I found last year is when I put it on more than once, um, it actually gave me a really big return. 22:49 Uh, the one, the one pass program gave me a definite, you know, really great return, but I, well Wait, not quantify. 22:56 Wait, wait, wait. The person listen to this is gonna say what's really great because you know what you ever hate. 23:01 You are like, I, This is Tommy. Not like this is a, I won't go this Tommy. You ever notice when you ask somebody, I ask somebody a, 23:08 a question that has a number and they don't give you it. You ever notice that? Like I'll say like, well we did this 23:14 because, um, uh, we bought the uh, uh, make sure that we, uh, don't have uh, uh, you know, too many, uh, uh, hurricanes coming in here. Is that, is 23:27 That how I sound when I talk? Yes. Do I really stutter around? Okay, So the point is I'm gonna give you the number. 23:33 This a question clearly has a number too. You'd be surprised. I'm always like, I, maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. 23:39 But that's not a number anyway. So what's the number? What's the really Big deal? Here's the number. 23:45 So, uh, this was a high yield situation. It was under, when I say high yield situation, it's irrigated. 23:52 Uh, the situation that I tred the most in was soybeans. On soybeans because I was trying to prove that we could go soybeans on soybeans on soybeans. 24:01 And that was the third year that that irrigated field was back to back soybeans, no crop rotation. 24:07 And I still wanted to show that I could grow a high yield in that situation. So that's the situation it was in when we applied it once we 24:15 got four bushel, when we applied it twice, we got six. When we applied it three times, it was way bigger number than that. 24:26 So, but those also, when I say that, um, that situation right there, I, I feel like it's different because you're in that high yield situation. 24:38 I don't know that you would get that all the time. So we tried it on some double crop beans last year and we had like a three bushel return 24:46 when we applied it one time. Now in the situation that I was in, we were in a we that was extremely experimental, 24:54 so we were using lower rates. Um, so now we're up to that 32 to 48 ounces on the one trip. 25:03 And that seems like that is the really good return on your investment. Number one trip, hit it one time, one drip. Yep. 25:11 One time goal and you can apply it. Well, like when I was applying this, um, I'm applying it at a time 25:16 where I'm gonna make it some application anyway. Whether it is my post herbicide application or it's an insecticide treatment 25:25 or whatever it may be, I was applying it at that same time, so I wasn't making an extra trip. 25:30 Okay. And that was the point this cuts back and this is a add on to what I was doing in, in situations where I was trying to boost yield 25:39 and I can get a couple different things out of it. Got it. So you didn't, you didn't make none of those passes were done just for this, it was 25:46 with other stuff you had No, so it was in the tank. Tank, yes. And that, that's the other thing, uh, Tommy that works, right? 25:52 Putting it in there with your herbicide, pass your fungicide pass, whatever, it works. That's, that's the key to all this is try 25:59 to cut down trips across the field. Nobody is gonna apply a nutrient product to have to make extra trips. 26:08 So that was kind of the theory in all this is to get it to play nice. Number one, get it to play with whatever he is adding it to, 26:18 whether it's herbicide, insecticide, whatever, and be accomplished it. Got it. So I got one more thing that I, that I, 26:26 that I kind of wanna say. And I, and I think that this is some of the reason that we are getting, you know, 26:32 a good ROI on on doing things like this. So when you're planting soybeans, if you have a double that shows up out there, you end up with a bean 26:42 that looks like it's planted, like you said Damien in 200,000 population. 'cause it ends up being a thin line bean instead 26:48 of being a bean that's branched out. And then when you have a a skip, you end up with a big bushy bean. 26:53 And then when you have 'em where they're, they're placed, right, you end up with, you know, 26:59 that medium bush style bean that we're all after. Well, when you use this product, what ends up happening is, is you turn the whole field into a bushy, uh, medium bushy 27:11 or a bushy or beam. Well, when you do that, those periods of influence that we're talking about later on, when you can add a PGR 27:18 and you can do all these things, the problem is, is why a lot of people don't seem like they get results out of trying to go in after certain times of influence 27:28 and they seem like they can't hit the trigger. Right? You can't hit the trigger, right. When you have multiple different growth stages under plants 27:35 that are three different plant types. So when you have three different plant types, it's hard to hit that exact spot 'cause you don't have an exact spot. 27:44 So you're just going for the average. Well when you do this, you change all those plants to look the same. 27:52 Mm-Hmm. And that, that I feel like is the big secret here. Okay? So the point is you, 27:59 you're you're making a more consistent plant, which then the treatment can be more quantifiable on, on the fact that it's, it's going on on a plant that's 28:11 uniforms throughout the field. Then the things that you do once we start hitting uh, points of influence in the R stages, 28:20 like if you're hitting it with fungicide at, you know, say R one to R three, all the plants out there are gonna respond better than in 28:30 temple scenario that he was saying that you've got three different plant types, three different growth stages. 28:38 What we're doing is every plant in the field is now more uniform. And if you're even hitting it as late as, you know, R five 28:48 with say micros that you're trying to increase bean size, those plants are gonna respond better than 28:55 if you didn't do this. Correct. Alright, so the answer you said, uh, why this is better is it's it's the plant or regulator is 29:05 because, um, you can put this in with any other product and so you've got the, the that and when you're already making a pass and it has fertility. 29:13 So that's the advantage here on these beans that you do this to, do you use a PGR at all Temple? Yes. 29:22 Later. Yes. IUI use well early pgs. Yeah, I use a PGR early and then I'll use like mega grow early 29:30 and that's to stimulate my roots and then I'll use a PGR late to try to stimulate more reproductive growth 29:36 Like way after this. And then the program that you think using Tommy's cocktail, uh, being squashers, we're calling it you think one pass 29:47 'cause the one time you only got two more bushels going a second time, it really kind didn't make any money. 29:52 Well, I mean it made money, don't get me wrong. But um, yes, we're getting to the point where instead of using 16 ounces three different times 30:02 or you know, 24 ounces or whatever it is, if we can come across one time and hit that period between like V three and V four 30:09 and stone 'em hard with like 48 ounces, um, it seems like that is given us the biggest return right there. 30:17 Boom. Got it. All right. Get me outta here Tommy. What do I need to know? The person that's listened to this that says, I've never even considered this. 30:23 I like my beans, they look really pretty. Uh, maybe I should try this. What's your recommendation? So I will say this, 30:32 this probably is not for everybody. This is not a one shoe fits all sizes. Um, it's going to be your 30:41 higher productivity acres. This, this is not, you know, um, 30, 30 to 50 bushel yield range. 30:50 This is your good ground irrigated acres. Um, I think there's a, there's a big thing to be said about changing how a plant reacts 31:04 to whether in this case fertility because it's, as it gets down into reproductive phases, our stages, you're gonna find more, 31:17 more inner nodes, more nodes, which means more fruiting sites and then you can hit 'em with known nutrients 31:26 that are gonna increase that meat size. It works. Yeah. By the way, he said on your good acres and he said your irrigate acres. 31:33 Well, I'm sitting here in the corn belt, there's like, like 1% of the acres are irrigated. I wouldn't say it has to be irrigated, 31:39 but you're, he's saying go use this on, on the stuff that's your highest productivity, uh, type of, if you're gonna push it, push it onto the stuff that's, 31:47 that you, that you know, your good acres are gonna make big yield. Yes. 31:52 Right. Yeah. Alright, what'd you, uh, what else then your last thought on this temple, um, are you done experimenting? 31:59 You, have you found the answer? Have you cracked the code? No, I've never, I mean, I, I don't think 32:05 that I've ever cracked the code. I'm trying something different all the time. I mean, we're, we're constantly changing, 32:10 we're constantly evolving. I've got a ton of stuff in, uh, experiments this year, uh, to may have sent me some more stuff 32:19 and we're, we're constantly tweaking all the time. Um, alright, Well then one other thing because you got all kinds 32:25 of different acres, some of you used, are you're getting some or not? Do you do this on all your soybeans? 32:30 Uh, I have not started doing it on all my soybeans yet. Um, this is, this would be year two for this specific product, but I feel like on all 32:43 of my acres next year, um, from what I've seen so far last year studies and how the beans look so far 32:49 that I feel like we've really figured this out with this one program and it will be on a hundred percent of my acres if Tommy will sell it to me. 32:57 Um, we still gotta get through that first. Um, but once we get to that point, I think I'm gonna end up putting it on. 33:04 I've, I've had positive results in irrigated, I've had positive results in dry land. I've had positive results in double crop beans. 33:12 Um, I think that this is my fertility program that's gonna be right there in the middle with my post application 33:21 of herbicide is where I'm gonna put it at. And it's probably gonna be on every acre. Yes. Got it. Because, because obviously the, the, the two years 33:28 of your trial have proven that this works, so it's gonna be on all the acres. All right. So hopefully there'll be a product called Bean 33:34 Squasher that everybody can get. But in the meantime, if you wanna learn more about this, you're gonna have to track down Tommy Roach 33:39 with Nature's You know, me and Temple will be here at XT Extreme Ag. Thanks for joining us. That's Temple Ros, that's Tommy Roach 33:44 with Nature's who's also a sponsor of our show, brings this to you. Thank you very much guys. And tell next time I'm David Mason 33:50 with X extreme ice cutting the curve. That's a wrap for this episode of Cutting the Curve. 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