00:00:00 PPFM technology. It's a biological found in products that you can use in your farm. Kelly and Temple did experiments this summer 00:00:08 and you're really gonna like what they have to say in this episode of extreme Ag cutting the curve. Welcome to extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast, 00:00:15 where real farmers share real insights and real results to help you improve your farming operation. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. 00:00:26 Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ice, cutting the Curve. We're talking about biological technology from a 00:00:31 company named New Leaf. If you've been to any of our field days, you've seen them. They've been in our field days, worked heavily 00:00:35 with Kelly and with Temple. That's why we got Kelly and Temple on New Leaf. The pink company means a lot more to them. 00:00:40 They talk a lot about pink, pink, pink. And then finally, I said, on the third time, I'm working with them. 00:00:44 I'm colorblind. Your logo looks like it's, it could be purple or blue or red. I really don't know. So let's get off this whole pink thing. 00:00:50 But it is pink performance. In fact, it's power pink performance according to my two friends from New Leaf. 00:00:55 I've got, uh, Alison Jack, and I've got Aaron Kelly here from the company. And you guys did some pretty cool stuff. 00:01:00 You're, this is a unique thing because you don't sell products direct to the farm. You sell products that are found in products 00:01:07 that these farmers can use. Kelly, you used two different, uh, uh, of New Leaves Technologies, um, and you put 'em out 00:01:16 and you are pretty gung-ho about it. So tell me about the experiment you did and where you're gonna go with it. 00:01:21 Yes. We use both products. You know, this is something new to me, uh, to work with things like this. 00:01:26 Uh, this was one of those that, uh, out outperform my expectations because I didn't know what was gonna happen. 00:01:33 You know, this isn't, uh, this isn't nutrition or fertility, something like that. Um, but, you know, Mike Evans 00:01:40 and I, my agronomists really feel that we're starting to dial in on the chemistry part of agronomy, you know, the, the elemental part, the nutritional part. 00:01:49 But we have to find ways to continue to build a better root system and protect that root system. And the new Leaf technology is one of the things we wanted 00:01:56 to try with the bio stimulant part and the rootworm part, you know, because of all of the corn on corn that we do. 00:02:03 So, by the way, what you, what you found, you found success. You're, you're, you're a believer. 00:02:07 You're, you're a believer. We've been for, since I started working with XT Extreme Ag three and a half years ago, we've been being honest about 00:02:14 biological based products and, and going ahead and saying, Hey, five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, gene, your father, 00:02:22 gene Garrett would've said, that's, it's all made up. It's all, you know, it's all, uh, pixie dust, whatever. This is a biological based product, Allison. 00:02:30 It is a bacteria based product. It's found in, uh, products from four different companies. We'll get to that in a little bit with Aaron, 00:02:36 but the main thing here is, let's talk about the first one, the biological based insecticide. 00:02:41 Is it safer? Absolutely. Uh, so much so that there's no reentry interval, really. Uh, it's, it's very safe. 00:02:50 It's a naturally occurring bacteria. Um, it's EPA registered bio insecticide, and it's great as part of an IPM strategy for the management 00:03:00 of corn rootworm on corn IPM strategy. Oh, integrated pest management. Yeah. By the way, both of these two kids from, uh, 00:03:08 from New Leaf have their PhD. So every now and again, I'm gonna scale it back a little bit and they're gonna talk at my level versus, uh, 00:03:14 talking at the, their level. So anyway, I'm, I'm sure you as a listener probably appreciate it as much as I do. 00:03:21 Um, this is important to you because you made the decision before we hit the record button. Kelly, you said, I'm gonna go 00:03:26 a hundred percent corn next year. This year you got to where you were doing very little soybeans because, uh, you sat down with Jared Creed 00:03:32 and said, he said, I think you're not really calculating your cost of production for what it really is. 00:03:36 And after we revamped how we count our cal calculate our cost of production, you said, I'm losing money on soybeans. 00:03:42 You did a few acres, you transferred some lesser soybean acres over to cattle ground. 00:03:47 Next year you're gonna do a bunch of corn on corn. A biological safer, yet effective insecticide matters a lot 00:03:53 for root rootworm. Right. AB absolutely. We'll probably have two or three different modes of rootworm protection 00:04:00 and the new lift technology is one of them. You said a long time ago, you've said several times that quad stack corn, triple stack corn, 00:04:07 it's a very expensive bag of seed. It's lost some of its efficacy. Um, one might say, if you're gonna go corn on corn, uh, 00:04:15 a hundred percent next year, why not go ahead and pay for the traits? And then you've said it's not worth the money. 00:04:19 You said I can do it with other products. This is a prime example of getting the version of Triple Stack or Quad Stack better, more effective 00:04:27 and not spending the money on, uh, an extra $70 per bag. Absolutely. You know, the, uh, 00:04:33 the traits in corn are really, are the easy button, which everybody loves to hit the easy button, myself included. 00:04:39 But when we started to run trials of conventional corn or non GMO corn with an insecticide package, you know, and, and stacking it a couple three times versus the traded corn, 00:04:50 we raise a better product and we raise it less expensively, and we have a better yield when we 00:04:57 don't hit the easy button. And we use an insecticide product like the New Leaf technology. 00:05:02 Uh, my, my analogy is the, the salary cap for football traits are defense. They're not offense traits or fungicide don't make yield. 00:05:10 They protect it. And if I can find another way to protect my environment without doing that, I'd rather play offense all the time. 00:05:20 I'd rather spend my salary cap on offense. And that's what the new Leaf technology allows me to do with my seed cost. 00:05:25 It's cheaper from a seed cost perspective overall. And most of the time with our trial data, we're very confident the yield is better 00:05:34 Temple. I think what I just heard was, uh, uh, a subtle dig on defensive players and as number 59 outside linebacker, 00:05:44 180 pounds of streaking anger. And I say streaking, I'm talking 5.2 second 40 kind of speed. 00:05:50 I mean, just, just a little On mute Temple. You're on mute Temple, you're on muted right now, so unmute yourself 00:05:58 Anyway. And, and, and you're talking about mean too, right? Like Yeah, 80 pounds, just lean and mean 00:06:03 180 pounds of lean, mean anger coming out from the left outside the, uh, outside linebacker position. I feel like sometimes you, you, 00:06:12 you probably not scaring a lot of people, I'm gonna be honest with you. If I showed you, if I showed you the pictures when you 00:06:17 come to the farm to shoot another episode of the Greenery, I'll show you the pictures 00:06:20 and it's, it's pretty intimidating. I mean, it, you can see where I think I've, I think, I think I've seen 'em 00:06:24 and I still wasn't intimidated. I'm gonna be honest with you. A 5.2 Second 40. Did they time you 00:06:29 with a Sundial Speed? Speed? Uh, you know, his speed was, um, not necessarily, you know, sometimes, sometimes being a 00:06:39 thinker is better than being fast. I'm not sure when that is. But, uh, anyway, um, well, What, what I, what I saw from, 00:06:46 or what I heard from Kelly is, is exactly what we've, you know, in extreme ag, a lot of things that we've tried to preach, you know, it's, 00:06:53 it really is about being proactive and not reactive. Reactive loses money, proactive getting ahead and getting in front of it, like Kelly's talking about, 00:07:02 that's a pretty big deal. What is PPFM technology? Aaron gets you folded in on the conversation then I wanna hear about what temple's, uh, experiments found. 00:07:14 Yeah, Yeah. You know, it's a really interesting, it's a live bacteria. It goes on with the seed 00:07:21 and colonizes that plant for the season long. So we're providing those benefits for the season long, which is definitely unique. 00:07:27 Uh, this is a species of bacteria that, that grows off of methanol. So all plants secrete a little bit 00:07:33 of waste methanol as they're growing. Um, and so that enables them to, to colonize that plant for the season long. 00:07:40 Um, they're producing some compounds called sedera Force, apologize for getting technical, 00:07:45 but this is helping the plant to take up more iron, manganese nutrients more efficiently, put on a bigger root mass, more fine root hair. 00:07:52 So I think Allison can give you a lot more detail on those. 'cause that her team has done a lot of measurements on that, 00:07:56 but it's real and it's significant. So the two things we're talking about, we got a product that's just a pure bio stimulant, 00:08:02 which does all those things you just talked about, plant health, putting on more nodules and, and root development and all that stuff. 00:08:07 And then a biological insecticide. That's the two technologies that New Leaf is making that are found in products that, uh, 00:08:16 I can go and buy as a farmer. That's right. That's right. And Allison, I'll give you a lot more detail on the, 00:08:21 the Rootworm technology, which is really, really unique. We'll Get to that in a second. Go back to 00:08:24 Temple. Yep. Tell us about your experiment temple and what you discovered. Well, what we discovered was is, you know, 00:08:29 when Allison came out and we did a bunch of root digs and we started looking at these plants, what we saw early on was massive root development. 00:08:38 Like, I mean, it was, I wouldn't even let her go out and dig it herself. 'cause I'm like, no, I wanna dig it myself. 00:08:44 Because I wanted to be exactly precise with the exact amount I wanted to go over. You know, clo close to 00:08:50 where the pinch rows were on the center of the planter. I wanted three plants all together. I wanted to pull up all three plants. 00:08:56 I wanted it not, I don't wanna say that people cherry pick, but you know, you know, it's just kind of human nature. 00:09:02 We go out and you're like, man, look at that beautiful plant. Let's dig that one up. I didn't want that. 00:09:06 I wanted everything perfect. And what we found was, is this massive, massive root system, um, in this deal. And I, right then and there, I mean, when, when Alice 00:09:17 and I walked out there and I was like, okay, your product is to the right. You know, at that time we didn't even know. 00:09:23 We just knew it was New Leaf. We didn't know, you know, PPFM and we didn't know, you know, pink fairy dust. 00:09:28 We didn't know anything. We just knew how we treated it. And you could visually see it. 00:09:33 And the corns was what, V five, V six-ish, um, at that time. But the plants themselves looked so much different. 00:09:42 We were almost a whole leaf collar ahead. One massive root system. The color of the plants was different. 00:09:49 So, back to what Aaron was saying a minute ago, yeah, it's pulling up all these other, um, minor, um, nutrients out there. 00:09:57 The ma, the mi, the micros, you know, the iron, the magnesium, the manganese, all of these different ones. It's pulling in this plant. It's making this plant different 00:10:06 than what it look like in my grower standard practice alongside it. I mean, you could see it physically. 00:10:13 The, the other thing that you could see is this, I was in an irrigated field. This field wasn't irrigated, 00:10:19 but like a week be prior to when Allison got here and the corn that we didn't have the product on, it was starting to show signs of it needed 00:10:29 to be irrigated again. We were like, well man, I need to turn on this irrigation again. That's what's going through my head. 00:10:34 But on their side, you got this vibrant plant that doesn't look like it needs water at all. But we've soon found out it's 00:10:41 because the root system that was developed on one and the other, now we don't have root pressure out here the way that Kelly has it out there. 00:10:49 So that wasn't one of the, you know, things that, that they were drawn to out here. They want to prove that it can work anywhere. Right. 00:10:56 So as far as I'm concerned for stress mitigation and maybe not even stress mitigation, you know, on my dry land acres, take irrigated acres. 00:11:05 If I can cut out one or two irrigation passes across that field, what does that save me? 00:11:11 Yeah. Like it costs me over a hundred dollars an acre every year just to turn my water on 00:11:16 and have an irrigated field that's a hundred dollars an acre. If I can take 10% out of that and save $10 00:11:23 and put it in this technology and not take the wear and tear on my equipment, like any way you look at it, like the ROI was good. 00:11:30 And then we take it all the way out to yield. Now there's some things that I do believe that we need to change, um, 00:11:37 because this technology has changed the, the, the plant's structure and the way that this plant acts compared 00:11:47 to my grower standard practice, right? So I believe that there's different ways that I need to fertilize to get around some of the things. 00:11:55 I had a slight amount of tip back in the plants. Now, did it yield better? Yeah, it was like, and all the checks, you know, 00:12:02 it was somewhere between 11 and 17 bushels an acre better than my grower standard practice. 00:12:07 So it was, uh, I mean, it was a lot better visually in the combine. Everything all the way around the health, the health 00:12:15 of the plant, at the end, everything was better. I think that we can get further than this. I really truly believe that we can, by the way 00:12:25 that I fertilize, because I truly believe in the beginning that that plant made such a massive structure that I need 00:12:34 to probably pull some of the nitrogen out in the beginning and maybe take and put some fertility 00:12:39 further on down the line. And I can, I can alleviate some of that tip back. 'cause there was some tip back in, in these plants. 00:12:46 But that's what it was. The plant was a different plant and I wasn't used to treating that plant. I was used to treating my grower standard practice plant. 00:12:55 Allison, you're nodding your head. Uh, let's go through a bunch of things here. 'cause temple, uh, gave us a lot of, uh, chances that, uh, 00:13:02 to go, uh, uh, and take a little de a little more, a little more in depth on, first off, about utilization of resources. 00:13:10 Kelly's big on doing everything he can to cut back on nitrogen. He says it in every episode that we do. 00:13:15 Uh, he talks about, you know, the over application of nitrogen, which is real. Um, does using something like your bio stimulant, a product 00:13:22 with your bio stimulant terra sim in it? Do I, do I have the, does this allow me to cut back on application Temple talked about cutting back 00:13:31 on water because of the root development. Does it allow me to cut back on application of fertility? Well, I would say for Temple's case specifically, right? 00:13:39 He's got super sandy soils and he's under, you know, nitrogen application limitations because of the Chesapeake Bay. 00:13:46 So what we saw is more, it's those fine tuning of the dials, right? When, when we did that root dig at V five, 00:13:53 whenever it was, you know, he's like, my nitrogen is here. I I, I know my nitrogen is here, 00:13:58 but my grower standard practice, those roots haven't even gotten to that nitrogen yet, which means it is a runoff risk. 00:14:05 But with your treatment, the, the massive increase in, in root biomass has actually gotten to the nitrogen. So for those kinds of things, in terms 00:14:15 of making sure you're not wasting any, right, like making sure that it is utilized more efficiently, um, I think absolutely. 00:14:22 But to temple's point, also, you have to know what to expect to know how to, you know, you have to understand 00:14:29 how the technology may change, um, how your crop is growing in order to, to dial those kinds of management things. In 00:14:36 Kelly, most of your acres are not irrigated, like 5% of your acres are irrigated or something like that. Just not very much at all. So this, 00:14:44 this technology making better roots, um, you could argue a year like this, uh, certainly in Indiana, I think in Iowa also, 00:14:52 you had some really long stretches that were dry. Is this, does this a, a level, the whole thing? Does this make it so like, Hey, you know what, I, 00:15:00 I don't know that we need to spend money on irrigation. We'll just work with what water we got and, uh, we'll use products like this. Well, 00:15:06 Water, as Matt says, water is the number one biggest stress mitigating factor. And it is. So if we can produce a better root system 00:15:16 with New Leaf and the new Leaf technology, and Temple and I both, uh, profoundly say that we can, um, yes, you are much more efficient on water 00:15:25 because of the root system that you develop, how it gets down there, you know, and like you, you know that your question 00:15:31 to Allison about temple's corn, I thought was very interesting. Uh, you know, that we're experiencing something here 00:15:38 that's non-linear and the new Leaf technology changed temple's plant, and does it mean he can cut back on nitrogen? 00:15:47 I, I think it depends on your soil, but yes, you, you, you might be able to, but you're gonna change the timing of it. 00:15:53 You're gonna become more efficient of it. There's an ROI at the better, but it, you're not going straight from point A 00:15:59 to point B, but that's not a problem. But we're very, we are cha the grower needs to understand we're changing the structure here 00:16:06 and how things grow and we're improving it so much. There is a little bit of a learning curve, but that's a great learning curve to have to go through 00:16:13 because of the end result. Aaron, it talked about corn is this product do, does this technology, I mean, 00:16:21 obviously a biological insecticide that's more of an issue. Rootworm in the, in the, the things 00:16:24 that cause us corn problems and you've got corn behind you and Allison has, uh, an image of corn behind her. 00:16:29 Is this only stuff that I need in corn or can I use in other crops? Yeah, it's a really good question. So this was, 00:16:35 I ask really good questions, Aaron. I I, I've been impressed by that. Nobody's, nobody's surprised 00:16:41 by that. But you, I mean, come on. Surprised. So This technology came out of initial, um, screening for corn bio stimulants in a field 00:16:49 that was hit heavily a a cooperative. It was hit heavily by corn rootworm. So that's where the technology originated. 00:16:54 We now, and, and Allison's team is actively working on looking at other pest systems as well as other crop systems. And so the label will be expanded for the 2026 crop year. 00:17:05 And we expect to have more crops in PEs some the label, Alright, in 2024, they, these guys use this product in 2025. 00:17:11 If a person listening to that says, okay, I want, I I want to do what I heard from Temple 00:17:15 and Kelly New Leaf is the company. You, prior to technology, you don't sell the product, you sell the product to other companies. 00:17:22 There's four companies that have your technology in their products. They are. That's right. So at NewLeaf we're much more about being 00:17:29 the technology provider and enabling our partners brands. So we've got four commercial partners today, Meristem, AMVA, 00:17:38 new Fields, ag and, and a new one that we brought on recently, partly through our collaboration with Extreme Ag is Agritech. 00:17:45 So four partners that really help us get to the retail and help us, uh, our technology is helping their products Be more efficient. Temple 00:17:51 whatcha you gonna do next year? I mean, you gotta make some adaptation on, on grower stamp practice. 00:17:56 You're gonna have to change your fertility up a little bit. Um, you're gonna use bo, 00:18:00 you're gonna use both the bio stimuli and the biological insecticide. You're gonna put it on more acres. 00:18:04 You're gonna put it on all acres. Um, you know, I it's, it's really hard to say this, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it with, with what I saw 00:18:14 and the amount of confidence that I have in this product, it is gonna be on a hundred percent of my acres. 00:18:19 Um, through the technology and the way that we, we put it on, you know, through that hopper box treatment, I had such tremendous results 00:18:26 with, um, with this. I, I just, I feel like it would be a big mistake to not have that. 00:18:31 And I think that there's other cutbacks that I can have. You know, you take the, the the water thing with, uh, 00:18:37 the amount of irrigation, the, of saving money there. That's an efficiency. You know, the nitrogen, am I gonna move my fertility around? 00:18:46 Yeah, I'm just gonna reallocate it. I'm gonna change the way that I do things because of the way that I believe. 00:18:52 Now take it back the other way. What happens if I fertilize it a little bit heavier upfront, and then I get a lot more tonnage of solid, you know, 00:19:01 the way that we chop solid, you know, you want tonnage, you know, go back and look at when we did stalk quality tests, you know, uh, Allison came out here 00:19:10 and we were doing root digs when it was in the R stages and we pulled these plants up and we weren't that far from black layer at that point. 00:19:18 We pulled these plants up and I gotta tell you, Damon, like if I had to guess, they were 20% heavier. 00:19:24 The stalk quality was, the diameter of the stalk was 20% more. Like, as far as like guys growing solids, 00:19:33 this thing is a game changer for them. I mean, an absolute game changer. It's a game changer at, at anywhere between 11 00:19:40 and 17 bushel across this study that was replicated three times. Like that's where it was, that's where it fell. 00:19:47 I mean, it was tremendous. I could leave all alone. I truly believe I can make it better Before, have you have you guys, you uh, Aaron Allison, 00:19:55 have you heard this before about pun? Because obviously we don't talk, we don't talk a lot about, most of our following in extreme ag are not livestock 00:20:04 producers, and we're always glad to talk about it. Why Temple talks so much about silage anyhow, Kelly, he's got five show cows, so what's, he need like two tons 00:20:11 of corn silage to get him through a year. One look, one old, one old gale, uh, silage wagon from the 1980s 00:20:19 that hauls about a ton and a half. That'll be enough. Survive show cow through the year. Anyway, Allison, 00:20:26 have you heard the thing about tonnage before? Yeah. Not just tonnage, but, uh, to Aaron's point of the micronutrient uptake, 00:20:32 you know, our bacteria in our technology, uh, produce sedera force. They help to capture and bind 00:20:38 and make available to the plant micronutrients right in the root zone. So if you think not just about overall tonnage, 00:20:45 but also the quality, the nutritional quality of the silage. Absolutely. 00:20:51 I don't wanna geek out too much, but I'm gonna ask you how, how's this work in layman's terms, Aaron or Allison or both of you? 00:20:56 How does this, how's this work? So I, I buy this product from Maim or Agritech, USA or VAC or Newfield Ag, and I put it out there, first off, 00:21:03 I put it out the the, the insecticide obviously goes in furrow. Yes, Kelly. 00:21:09 That's right. No, it's planted. Ours is planter applied. It's a planter box treatment. 00:21:14 Okay. So on, on the seed, Right? But yes, it goes on the seed, which then, you know, indirectly goes in the furrow. 00:21:20 So like temple, you said mar stems hopper. Hopper, uh, box. It's the thing where it's the, uh, 00:21:25 of like a, a container, right? And you pop the thing and then it's puts the, puts the coating on it, and you dump it in your, in your, uh, 00:21:32 seed, your seed tank. Correct? Correct. Okay. So that's how I apply. And then that's, is that the only application of the, 00:21:40 of the bio, of the 2 0 1 biological and inside side ide? Mm-hmm. Okay. 00:21:44 And then on the terrace and the, the bio stimulant that for plant enhancement, I heard Temple saying something about V four V five. 00:21:51 That was just what the plant was doing. The, the product was applied previous to that. The, The product was applied on the seed. 00:21:57 All this is seed is seed applied. Okay. Uh, so there's a lot of stuff going on on the seed with seed treatments, et cetera, et cetera. 00:22:07 So Aaron, you spoke a little bit about how's it work? Yeah, I'm gonna defer to Allison. She's a technical expert here, so, 00:22:13 All right, Allison, how's it? Well, I was gonna defer to you. So again, it's really easy to apply. 00:22:19 Uh, we're formulated as a wettable powder, um, and we just go right on the seed as a dried powder. We were actually one of the first companies 00:22:28 to have a living biological as a planter box application that goes in with your seed lu or, um, 00:22:35 and how it works has got a couple modes of action, right? Um, it's got that nutrient uptake, um, 00:22:41 which then can enhance the rooting. And then from there, um, you see, you know, a little bit of better stress response, uh, to, to temple's point with, 00:22:52 with the irrigation. Um, and then for 2 0 1, that's a whole other ball of wax, right? So our biostimulants have the nutrient uptake, a little bit 00:23:01 of stress response, and you see some really solid results. Um, with 2 0 1, 00:23:06 we don't necessarily see yield until there's damage. It, it really is a bio insecticide. Um, and it has a very unique mode of action. 00:23:14 So it is an indirect mode of action. Um, it is not harming the larvae at all. Our microbes, when they colonize the plant, 00:23:24 they change the way the plant responds to the biotic stress. So they change the way the plant responds to larva feeding. 00:23:33 Um, and what we see, there are a couple of things. We see a reduction in larva feeding, and we actually know why. 00:23:41 Um, our VP of r and d, Natalie Breakfield has done a really cool collaboration, um, with Mizzou, um, a, 00:23:48 a research group group at Mizzou, and they've been able to find that in a feeding choice assay, 00:23:54 if you put the larvae in the middle and you have treated and non-treated, give them some time to choose 00:23:59 where they're gonna go and feed on the root. They just all go over to the untreated. And same thing, if you have treated 00:24:05 and treated, which is really like a no choice feeding choice experiment, they just wander around in the middle 00:24:10 and they, they don't go anywhere. Got it. Um, so we see that like larval feeding activity change, it changes their feeding back behavior. 00:24:20 Um, and then on top of that, if, if any larvae are feeding on the root, we also see pretty aggressive regrowth after the damage. 00:24:28 Mm-hmm. So all plants do this, it's called con compensatory root regrowth. So if you have a little bit of nibbling on the root, 00:24:35 the plant will try to regrow what was lost. Um, with our technology, the plant just does that a lot more and we've been able to do some cool phenotyping studies, 00:24:46 phenotyping being like capturing this change in how the plant is responding. Um, been able to do that through imaging the roots 00:24:54 with a different university partner. Um, and it's, it's, yeah, it's up to 25% increase in root tips under damage, right? 00:25:04 So if you go out about three weeks after the larvae have been feeding on those root systems mm-hmm. 00:25:10 You can dig it up and you can find it where, okay, here in the grower standard practice, the roots will attempt to regrow a little bit in the, 00:25:18 the TS 2 0 1 treated plants. They're just aggressively regrowing. Almost like the roots are just, there's so many of them, 00:25:26 you can't even tell how many there are kind of deal. Um, so we think that's a key part of it, um, in terms of yeah. 00:25:34 Uh, multiple different things going on with this technology. Alright, Kelly? Yeah, 00:25:38 we heard from Temple about his plan for next year. What's the Garrett Land and Cattle plan for 2025 as it pertains to utilizing the PPFM technology from NewLeaf 00:25:46 through the products? Of those four companies that already mentioned, It'll be on a hundred percent of our acres. 00:25:51 Uh, our yield trial only yielded four bushel, which we thought it was gonna be more than that, but, you know, in studying the pattern ag, uh, 00:25:59 tech technology, things like that, our soil where we had our plot was a very low, uh, rootworm pressure. And I expect to see, uh, two 00:26:08 to three times the yield response from that. And because we have a lot of higher pressure fields, it just happened to be where we put the plot. 00:26:14 But at four, at four bushel, uh, there very much is an ROI. Yeah. You know, it's that inexpensive 00:26:21 and, uh, we will put it on a hundred percent of the acres, uh, for both reasons. 00:26:25 The the 2 0 1 and the four 50. Yeah. It's particularly, uh, the one that, I mean, you're, you're, you're excited about both of 'em, 00:26:30 but you're for sure on a biological insecticide is where you think you're gonna get your bang for your buck because of going corn. 00:26:36 Corn. So the person that's listening to this says, I don't do corn on corn, I don't have as much. I think a lot of farmers probably don't think they have 00:26:41 as much insect pressure or dog or worm pressures. They put Outta sight outta mind. Yeah. 00:26:47 Is that, see, know earlier, I don't remember who said it that. Right. Most of the farmers you work 00:26:51 with underestimate the amount of pathogens or pests that are under the ground Ab Absolutely. And 00:26:57 then they want to, uh, just continue to throw more and more fertilizer at it. That might not be the, that might not be the weak link. 00:27:03 Maybe the weak link is, is the pest management, things like that. And some of your fertilizer investment is being 00:27:09 wasted or unutilized. Yep. Because, uh, of the root damage that's going on, you know, so we need to, we need to look at the whole, 00:27:16 whole gamut here and, and protect everything. Temple last thought, you're excited, you're gonna use it. You're gonna use on corn eventually they're gonna have, uh, 00:27:24 their product is gonna be available for use or labeled for use on other crops. You're gonna make some adjustments on your fertility. 00:27:31 Um, you, you've got, other than making some adjustments, there's no, there's no, 00:27:36 no big asterisk hay, you should know this. Or warning, don't do this. There's nothing like that. Well, I I'll give you an asterisk. 00:27:43 I mean, for the guys out there, you know, we talked about the hopper box treatment, we talked about this. 00:27:47 Um, we've, we know that there's a lot of synergy with, um, when we, when we do different things together, I want everybody to know, to keep in mind 00:27:58 this product was not applied in a, for, for Kelly and I as like, here's a hopper box treatment that we're gonna get you to use. 00:28:06 It was just their technology aided on the seed and nothing else. And we had these results. So keep that in mind. 00:28:15 It wasn't like they were like, Hey, this is XY Z's hopper box treatment and we might be getting a result 00:28:21 because it has something else in the hopper box. This is purely their technology that just got, it's the pink fairy dust that I called it, 00:28:30 dumped on the seed mixed and blended very well and put out in the field. And this is our results. Yeah. 00:28:36 So I didn't want anybody to take the misconception of, you know, it could be this hopper box or that hopper box and that hopper box has got this in it, 00:28:44 and that might be the results of it. This is just their technology. So, um, as far as I'm concerned, I I, I feel like I've got, 00:28:52 I'm looking at it two different ways. Like I said before, there's some things that, that I wanna change. 00:28:58 And Kelly says it best. You know, we, we don't, we're raising, you know, America's raising this sexy corn plant 00:29:05 and we're raising all this biomass and at the end, we don't sell biomass, we sell the green. And I think that that's one of the reasons for one 00:29:15 of my adjustments on my green fields. But I'm excited as well as far as the nutrient value, as far as the stalk quality as far as, you know, 00:29:25 we got hurricanes out here. Think about the stalk quality. There's something major there 00:29:29 that I really need to think about. Um, as far as the, the quality of the plant and the aided tonnage to, to aid in the solid, 00:29:36 there's a bunch of dairies up north of here. They're very interested in this product because of the amount of, I mean, 00:29:43 you're talking about 20% more mass in the plant than it did on the other one. We're not talking about, we didn't change fertility, 00:29:50 we didn't change anything. Right? It's this root system that is built this plant, and that's just bigger roots. You're getting a couple 00:29:57 Plants and, and yeah, by the way, that's, to Kelly's point, always tremendous difference to Kelly's point always about you don't sell biomass, 00:30:03 sage obvious you do need biomass. So I mean, that's got a real Exactly. Is that gonna, is this gonna be a real direction you guys 00:30:08 go, Allison and Aaron, like, Hey, make sure that, uh, if if you're, if you're a silage producer, you, you know, you should be using this product. 00:30:14 Yeah. Uh, we hear from a lot of partners, um, and, and they're kind of making headway into, into dairy regions and livestock regions 00:30:23 and hearing some really positive feedback. So Yeah. Yeah. Consistently Three ton or more an acre on silage 00:30:29 Three. Yep. By the way, Kel, I was just thinking here as a dairy farm kid, we had a 20 by 60 cement sta silo and then also a bunker. 00:30:38 If, if you, if you have five show cows, instead of putting up a silo or a bunker or a, or a or a pile, do you just put it in Ziploc bags 00:30:46 and let it go through its fermentation process? And like Ziploc bags, You put it in a trash dumpster 00:30:51 and then you have the garbage man compress it and you just have little bales of silage. Yeah. That's how I do it. But think it's, we 00:30:59 Like to pick on temple about his cow operation, because remember it's Less acres for me to put 00:31:03 to add into my si into my little teeny tinys bags. Tell how it is. Uh, it's an old thing, you know, cowboys, cowboys all arguing about, uh, big hat, 00:31:12 no cattle, all that kind of thing. Well, there you go. There's Kelly picking on temple. Wait, I guess it was kind of me picking on Temple. 00:31:16 But anyway, alright, I like it. If I wanna learn more about this, Aaron and Allison, where do I go 00:31:21 to learn more about the New Leaf technology? Is, uh, your website will tell me how I can, how I can utilize it. 00:31:27 Absolutely. Uh, new leaf sim, SY m.com. New leaf sim, SY m.com. Allison, last word. Saw you at temples. 00:31:37 You excited about what you saw? Absolutely. It was a real pleasure collaborating with you guys this season and getting 00:31:44 to learn more about your operations and, and getting to see this technology in the hands of people who, I love that you were both skeptical at the beginning 00:31:53 because it made watching the light bulbs go off of like, oh, oh, this actually does this and this actually does that. 00:31:59 And hey, I think I'd change this management practice here. Right? So to have it in the hands 00:32:04 of such knowledgeable growers and agronomists to, to be able to say like, here's exactly how I would change up my whole operation with this in mind, 00:32:13 knowing that I can change the plant in this way. It's, it's just been a really fun summer, uh, getting to know both you guys and, and, 00:32:19 and collaborate on these trials. So thanks. I think she meant also it was really good to know and work with me too. 00:32:23 But anyway, we, we don't know for sure. Her name's Allison Jack. She's joined by Erin Kelly. 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